Meta game rant.

Can a mod plz fix this. Stuid MS Word.

i agree, but the reason some people make money and others just float or lose money is becaues they're too scared to change styles up mid session, or are too scared to make plays on people. everyone gets the same cards. if i know how you play your strong & weak hands, how do you plan to make money? me? i steal a lot, and try to get caught once early in the session. that way, you can never really 100% for sure know what i have at all times (or even a range. my bluff % goes way up from 10% in their eyes, and if they do get the gusto to call, which isnt often, i WILL have the nuts one of those times. i know how to slow down, they only get sloppy when trying to 'catch' me.)

This is a very old topic. The Beatles wrote a song on the subject:

"Lovely Rita, Meta Maid."

So, in essence, you're saying that you have to play against the same people to utilize your meta game, but, you just told me that you raised from UTG with K-2o, to throw some people off of your regular game and get more action, basically. So now, I know you sometimes raise UTG with a big hand, and sometimes nothing, if I played with you regularly, which leaves me at.......not knowing what the hell to do against that player. Dammit, I'm confused. Post a counter-point to playing against this person, please. I do get your point about meta game, though, thank you.

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TB's just saying he used that super tight image to make a blind steal from EP that he normally wouldn't do. The table didn't necessarily see the K2, and his rocky image is still there.


But ya; agree with you completely, Liam. There's no point in 'mixing up your play' by tossing in raises (or reraises for that matter) with small pairs or suited connectors if the players are a) too inobservant to take notice or b) you don't play with them often enough for you to have an image of a rock or mouse or whatever.

Also, online is so loose you rarely even have to loosen up. If someone's going to pay you off regardless what hand you're telegraphing, then so be it. Just play your hand.

I thought he was saying he raised from EP with K2o to get the players to loosen up against him and get some action? So you would show the K2 if nobody called, or hope for a checkdown if you did get a caller, correct?

NM, re-read the post and I'm mixing up my examples. Stealing using his image, not showing the K2 for action, as opposed to showing the suited-connector raise from EP early on. Thanks.

He's just abusing his image. He's seen as a rock, raises utg, people immediately pin him on QQ+ AKs/o and fold anything worse.

Showing that bluff would just keep your opponents confused. I guess it depends where you want to go with it, but you generally just want to have a solid TAG image in the late stages of tourneys where blinds are high and stacks are small, so I think he'd just be mucking it rather than showing.

If someone called him, he'd probably slow right down because for anyone to put any chips in vs someone with a range like that, he'd have to have a pretty damn big hand.

edit:^^^ya, you get it.

Ok, I'll grant you your definition, if you can name this scenario;

You have been setting up a player for several orbits. You know he will bite.
The contest finally comes, you challenge, he bites, and it is done.

I used to consider that a meta game thing. Meta in this case being more. More than just the hand at hand.

Give it a new name TB, or tell me it's existing name which I haven't associated it with .......

Of course it is ridiculous to claim there is no meta game at lower buy ins, or in games where you are not playing people you have history with.

Is there more meta game considerations in those situations where you have more history with the players? Of course.

Are there less meta game considerations at tables with unobservant opponents that you have never played with before. Of course.

But you always have a table image (general), and you almost always have a history with an individual player (specific), even if it is only the last/one hand (maybe the last one, where you showed him the nuts). Those are meta game considerations. They are not to be discounted.

That being said, points made about opponents not paying attention, and considerations of table turnover, and other "subtractions" to the meta game considerations certainly should be taken into account, and perhaps result in meta game considerations being weighted too heavily in "most" situations where the OP sees them used.

Is that what you were looking for?