Ace rag suited...

Ok guys just wanna know how many of you play Ace rag suited on a 10 seater ring game.Ace rag off i will nearly always throw unless i can limp.Simple reason being if an ace comes on flop you are most likely to get beat by ace n a better kicker.Ace rag suited i like to play if i,m in LP an no big raises have been made i like to see a flop,most times i will end up folding,however a few weeks ago on a 50c/1$ table i flopped the nut flush and managed to get all my cash in the pot i dont know what the other guy had,but i was praying the river would not pair the board and it did'ent phew 337$ my biggest pot to date.
In EP/MP ace rag suited depending on how i am doing up or down,or if table is loose i may risk a small call,of course this is dangerous coz if you flop a 4 card flush anyone with a hand will see the danger of someone chasing flush and put in a decent bet,and IF i call and dont make the flush an even bigger bet is coming next...
Any thoughts on this

Ace rag suited is usually a raising hand or a folding hand i was told. Also in early position I would limp and if in late position with a few players in the pot I would raise to try steal some blinds.

In my game, I fold Ax sooted in all but late position. Then I only play it if I am first or second in. I almost always raise it since I raise 80% of the time when entering a PF pot that is unraised. I want to hit the flop hard or have a board that I can bluff at (and I do this rarely and only against the right players). Overall, I am not a big fan of weak aces...suited or not. Hitting just top pair with this hand can spell trouble.

One exception: If this is a very loose, passive table and there are four or more players limping ahead of me, I might just limp this hand from late position and hope to hit the flop. These are good pot odds and it can pay off well.

I only play A rag from late position, i'll raise if it folds around to me or just call if 1-2 players call from early/middle position.

Generally, A rag loses for me, go figure

A-2 thru A-5 is more playable then say A-8 for the wheel. of course also being suited is a big thing because you will be drawing to the nut flush. I will call a small raise with it in position but im not playing it too fast if I hit my ace. If you are the kind of person that can not lay down on a Ace high flop then you should fold this everytime but if you are strong enough to get away from it then I would call small raise with it.

If they are not suited, I usually don't play anything less than A10 or 9. With Ax suited i usually try to limp. If i am in late position I'll raise if everyone checked and re-raise from any position with AQ, AK suited.

I've heard this hand called "Little Slick", or maybe that's specifically A-2 suited... anyhow, I call A-rag suited "Little Slick" because I feel it should be played just like Big Slick but for smaller pot odds. Treat it like a draw hand. Raise or fold, never call and limp in. Just my theory.

BTW, I've found that certain A-rag suited hands, if they flop a straight or four to a straight with the straight card on the turn are EXTREMELY hard to see coming for inexperienced players. A strongish bet for example at a board which shows 2-3-5 when you're holding A-4 suited looks an awful lot like you're playing top two pair, or maybe a mid-to-high pocket pair. Anyone with overcards (Queens, Kings and Aces) feels awfully tempted to call. I've won several pots that way.

I usually limp in a cheap call with ace low kicker suited, If you hit the flush you can almost be sure you will win. But definately fold a raise. But be careful if you hit an ace on board.

Ok, how about another scenario? What if i get to limp in and my Ace rag suited hits on the ace and the rag, but there is a scary over card? For example:

Im playing A4d
flop comes A 4 K

What if someone was slow playing AK preflop? Stranger things have happened. Also my opponent could just have a really strong ace suck as AQ. Im just looking for a little input on what you guys think.
Thanks so much.

-The Demon-

if i flop the 2 pair in early pos. then i'll bet at it or raise. if u get a huge reraise, then the AK has to cross your mind. i guess it depends on how well you know your opponents.

I see that many of you recommend raising. I don't understand you, that way you accomplish exactly the opposite of what you need. You need as many players in the pot as possible and seeing flop as cheap as possible.

Not with A-rag, if you end up hitting two pair, you want to protect that from possible draws, how many times have you been let in to see a cheap flop with A-rag, just to slowplay it and have been beat at the river by someone on a draw or a small PP that had hit their set?
if so many of us agree with raising then wouldn't it make sense to do so?

Wait a minute...
If you flop two pair (which is not very often), who stops you to bet big?

And you didn't say a reason to raise...

I'm with Prolaznik here. This is a hand which we think of playing just for its possibility hitting a flush or flush draw, a set, or two pair which you shouldnt be afraid of being beat, otherwise why be in the hand if your best hope isnt good enough? I say limp in and if you hit you can do so many thing with it.

I like to limp with it, but give it up to any raises and hope I'm 4 to a flush on the flop. If I flop top pair I'm aware of my kicker and prepare to fold to any major action.

Limp mainly, Raise from button minus one onwards. I always remember I am playing for flush and possible straight. Never get drawn into contests if an ace turns up on the flop.

I am also extremely wary of two pairs on the flop. I have been there too often with A2 or K2, paired both cards on the flop, only to see the other flop card paired later and for my low card to be worthless. Example A2 vs AQ. Flop A 2 8 rainbow (yippee!). Turn 9 (still yippee!). River 8 - now not so good.

Personally I never understood the fascination that people have with A-rag suited. It is only marginally better that A-rag offsuit. Most people would agree that A rag off suit is garbage, so if A-rag suited is only marginally better, it is still essentially garbage.

I toss them almost all the time, with the exception of specific reads on certain players, or raising in the cut-off or on the button in tournies to win blinds/antes/dead money.

I usually play the Ace rag suited because i love SUITED cards hehe ....i play a lot of suited hands. I toss the Ace rag off suit almost all the time except on my blinds if i can check or it's not raised.

I never play off suit Arag except on the Big Blind i have never lucky with them

IMHO:

A2 through A5 sooted can be played like small pairs (most try to get in cheap, fold to a raise, and play fit or fold on the flop); A6 through A9 sooted are Button or CO only and only if there is a chance that limping in a multi-way pot will get you to the flop; A+Broadway sooted are re-raising hands.

Of course all of that is the base against which you switch gears and mix it up, as situations and opponents allow/demand, etc.

If I get pot odds to call on the flop then I am definitely going to call the flop bet. I will call the turn bet also if it isn't a pot sized bet, but I usually like to reraise the flop so I can buy a free turn card because the flop raiser may not be strong enough to reraise the flop or bet the turn after being repopped on the flop.

Here's my two cents on Ace-x suited:
1. it is a very profitable hand to see the flop with because you can flop two pair, a nut flush, a nut flush draw, or a dangerous top pair.
2. you can steal the blinds with it if you raise in late position and it is folded to you, and you are then up against only the blinds, whom you have dominated with your ace(usually).
3. If you flop a weak top pair, take care. It is for this reason I reccomend raising the blinds(late position) and folding to a bet/raise.
4. I would reccomend calling with this hand if 3 or more people have called in front of you(or you anticipate it)
5. 2-5 is better than 6-8 and worse than 9-J(because of the wheel draw)

I think you're playing it pretty well so far. Just be really careful when you play it & don't call any huge bets to see the flop. I think you're doing fine right now, so keep up the good work.

I totally agree with demo. Well said. That is pretty much my approach.

Yep demo has basically has the reasoning behind people playing those ace rags.