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RealDealPoker.com to be the First and Only Poker Site to Deal Hands Based on Real Cards
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Very interesting article, site suppose to be coming in March

I re-read it a couple of times, and I think this is how they scramble the deck.

I think they use a computer and record an actually deck being shuffled and use the out come for an actually online poker deck.

My opinion is this:
A deck shuffled in real life is not as random as a deck "shuffled" virtually using a RNG. Many people who play poker in real life knows that similar cards come back out. When people shuffle, they tend to not mix up every card. Like when you have a board: A2345, and the next shuffle happens, and the section of the deck appears on the top, the new board would have cards similar to A2345. I'm not sure if I'm explaining it right, but that's the problem I see in this real life shuffle from this new method.

This is just an easy way to promote a new poker site. What BS.

Absolutely correct IMO. You will never simulate a person shuffling with machine or computer shuffling. Machines and computers don't get lazy nor sloppy.

For online purposes I want a truly random deal like poker star gives based on the most sophisticated random number generation available to science (not the pseudo RNG in yor computer).

Good gimmick though, I'll sign up, if the play is fun, and fair.

Ok I play live alot, and card shufflers break down. So what happens in this case will they have 10000 shuffle machines ?

The site looks pretty nice, you can see the machine here.

http://www.realdealpoker.com/see-it-in-action

Looks like they are US based?? =O

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi... .859896355..1

Nope, doesn't do anything for me. At best, it's just as random as a computer, and costs a hell of a lot more to operate. That's really their problem, not mine.

And as for requiring a player to decide to cut/no cut to deter bots...if you have bots who can play poker, you have bots who can decide to cut or not.

Agreed. Gimmick. Or more generously, just doesn't solve a problem I have.

RF

What is the point of having burn cards? those are just to prevent people from seeing marked cards.

Its just a gimmic to get the name out.

U.S. players can't play there anyhow.

Says who? The address posted is a US address..

Should be easy money to be made there when it launches, imo. Given their marketing approach, I expect it to be full of fish who think the reason they can`t win is because online poker is "rigged".

I actually met the card shuffler system inventor in Vegas at the Global Gaming Expo. It's always expected that when a new system or approach comes out that there's skepticism, but I sat down with Gene Gioia and it's really a solid approach to the game. As he explained it, with Random Number Generators - there's really no rhyme or reason for the cards that it deals to people. It's like a home game or casino game where the dealer just picks cards out of their heads and there's no way to audit or verify the fairness of the game. With the shuffler - and he's spent many years developing this - it's as if you were sitting in front of a dealer who is shuffling. Every hand can be audited and proven to be fair. Gene's tried to convince himself for years that poker sites offer a fair game, but so many ususual patterns occur with online poker versus a real life poker game. It's supposed to launch in March - so I guess I would say, don't knock it 'til you try it.

By the way - Gioia Systems - the inventor of the auto shuffler is based in US. The poker site is based in the UK. Gene said that US players will be eligible to play for promotions and really great prizes. Where it's legal to play for money - money plays.

Let's all just try it before we down it - it won't be too long before we can test it out anyways.

I'm sorry, but unless it can replicate witty banter, eye rolling when the three seat forgets to put his blinds out for the fourt round straight and pitching short to douchebags for the lulz it just can't claim to work like a real live casino dealer.

End of story - unless what people really want to talk about is "ZOMGZ online poker is rigged" in which case... *facepalm*

Online poker _is_ rigged...in the same way for everybody. lol there will still be massive suck outs and then people are gonna say the shufflers are rigged and real deal is a scam.

ldo. If there's a rhyme or reason, it's not random.

Other than statistical analysis, you mean? Which is how random number generators are tested?

Sorry. It's useless, at least to me.

RF

New member and this is your first post? Seems fishy to me.

And no, it is not. Your still sitting in front of a screen, they can do anything they want to change up the game and how the cards come out, so this doesn't mean this site has an even less chance of being rigged than any other.

I agree. Hard to believe if they have 1000 hands per hour that they'll do this. How many machines are they using?

They said it at the bottom of there home page i went to.

^ this. If there's rhyme and reason to the cards you're getting from a live dealer they're doing their job wrong. That's not something we should be looking to replicate online.

Personally I think the system used by Full Tilt and other sites where there's no burn cards and the deck stub is constantly being shuffled is better than the live system. I'm a live game dealer and I still think that.

I agree 100%. As other stated in this board, they are just trying to promote there poker site. Other poker sites, all deal cards the same way and there has been no issues. Each card is randomly decided upon when being dealt. Hackers would have caught on by now, if big sites such as Pokerstars and Full Tilt Poker we're scamming there players by not making the cards dealt random.

Well, just another machine that is scrumbling the cards......

This video is dumb! Say you divide your cards in half..... then you take the time to take the top card of each deck and put it in a new pile, then repeat until your two piles are down to one...... That is all they are doing after each wash!

not believe is the ideal way! believe that the cards this way that has been done, there are random!

the real deal has the real deal, lol.

that's like when i was cooking once a customer asked me, "are these real potatoes?" i almost felt like telling him, "no they're plastic, !!"
so if they're the first to use real cards "what have the other sites been using, lol"
don't worry it sounds good..........thanks and peace.

WTF are you saying? You make no sense at all.

OMFG I'd missed the video link until now. I dunno whether it's more dumb than it is funny or more funny than it is dumb. Still, having watched it and read the page I humbly offer the following open questions to the site owners:

1 - You're seriously going to have machines shuffling physical decks of cards for every single hand that's dealt on your site?

2 - No really, be serious. A mechanically shuffled deck of cards for every hand?!?

3 - LOL

4 - Since your system is obviously more expensive than that used by every other poker site in existence, how much extra rake do you plan on charging to cover your expenses?

5 - I assume as your site grows you'll need to add more shuffling machines to cope with the demand. Got a pretty big warehouse or something do you?

6 - Your competitors are well established and operating with significantly lower fixed and variable costs per unit. How long do you give yourselves before you go broke?

7 - Why does "cutting" the deck cause a reshuffle? Surely it should just cause a cut? Or is that process mechanised as well and your machine isn't up to performing a physical cut? Because if it's a full reshuffle and not a physical / virtual cut WTF is the point? Either your punters trust your shuffle or they don't.

8 - Having a player cut the deck is a home game / self-dealt thing anyway. No sane casino in the world would let the players touch the deck stub. Makes you look pretty amateur, amirite? Or does this say more about the kind of punters you're looking to attract?

9 - Having a player cut the deck carries with it the implication that the shuffle couldn't be trusted in the first place. Are you concerned about what this says about your site and the confidence you're inspiring in your shuffle method?

10 - I'm completely lost on this last one - how exactly does your system eliminate bots? Do you think they couldn't be programmed to press a virtual "cut / no cut" button or something? Or do you not understand what bots do?

11 - Seriously, just how dumb do you think people are?

12 - LOL. Srsly.

The site says that its "BASED" off a real shuffled deck.. So what I'm guessing is they have a computer randomize many new decks from the real shuffled one.

Just like the other sites do, only with other random things.

You always gotta remember when something says its BASED off of something else.. like when a movie is BASED from real events.. lol.

^^^Exactly what I was thinking! The gimmick is going to work on many people who haven't got a clue about variance, or how to really play for that matter, and the pickings will probably be very good!

You must work for Gene ... I hope he pays well!!!!!

What happens when the shuffling machine breaks mid deal or mid hand?
Or if it's based on real hands, then would that just be a stored database of pre played hands, risking the chance of playing the same hand twice? with the same outcome?
or is it randomly based on a real database of numbers from a real live shuffling machine that one day was in existense of use by some guy one time in a point of time for some odd reason man?

...but that's not really different from any other site. It's not like their physical deck has different cards in it to a virtual one or anything so what's the point of having the physical deck, the shuffle machine and the video confirmation - to prove that there really were 52 cards in the deck?

I watched the video and the machine looks overly complicated... this site will probably have more technical difficulties than full tilt.

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