Multi-Entry MTTs, new at FTP

Lol - that is just too strange.

yeah. although i guess it's really cool for a MTT grinder as you can increase your volume significantly by multi-entering. But if you go deep with several entries, there must be some EV loss ICM-wise when two of your entries get merged.

Wow. That is an idea that I am not sure is good for the game of poker. But I guess it is like anything else... No one is forcing you to play.

On a side note, if you have any poker tracking software it would be a good way to record a lot more hands on your opponents. Imagine having an entry on the last two tables? I feel like that would be a HUGE advantage (other than the fact that you are that deep and represent over 10% of the remaining field).

Too early in the morning...hopefully that was coherent.

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/multi-entry-tournaments

How it Works

Multi-Entry Tournaments allow you to register for the same tournament numerous times, meaning you can “multi-table” a single tournament!
Each of your entries in a Multi-Entry Tournament will have its own chip stack and be dealt its own hand. You can register multiple entries at the same time, or use additional entries as a “second chance” if your first entry is eliminated from the tournament in the early stages of play.
Your entries will always be seated at different tables, and if you have more entries than there are tables left in the tournament, two of your entries will be “merged” into one.

OK 1 thing i need some info on when it comes to merging.Say the final table is reached and they merge the 2 entries you had left. Now there are 8 people left. Did the entry that gets merged get 9th place money? I mean what if you were 1st and 2nd. I dont get that part of it. Im at work, so cant really read the link you posted but just curious as to knowing how that works out.

It's actually a bit of a nightmare in that you then need to run ICM computations in order to figure out if it's less -EV to voluntarily bust your shortest entry in 10th place to collect two payouts or take the EV hit of having your two entries get merged at the final table.

No, it just disappears and your stacks are added. But ICM-wise, the $ value of a single stack is less than the $ values of two smaller ones with the same total chip count.

Wow. I never though of it like that. Would the payout structure not need to be tweaked? If you represent 2 of 12, do they pay 12 spots? So when you are forced to merge you get paid the 10th place money? If not, then who does?

Actually, it seems i misread and when you get merged in the money, you get the payout for the place you got merged at. If you also get your chip stacks merged, than it turns out to be very +EV. Weird...

It seems that would be the only way to do it for a tournament structured this way. Thanks for the info belgo!

I would love to try it, just to see. It would probably be fun at first but nothing I'd look to make money at...

Yea - I will try a few for the fun of it.

Just remember folks, you only have 2 ankles so if you're running more than 2 entries you're going to have to start looking for other parts to stab.

Stay safe out there.

Its still -Ev I think.

However this is great if you get knocked out early from a really good EV tournament and u can register a 2nd time.
And its also great if u can get into the money or final table faster by other people merging.
Beeing shortstack vs a bunch of recless bigstacks can be very profitable as well.

lol, no just go for the wrist and end it quicker!

I find daggers in the heart to be much more effective. I had to use several last night - built up great chip stacks in 5 tournaments and went out of 3 of them in massive pots when I got bad beats. It was sooo painful. I played so awesome and only min-cashed in one of the tournaments lol.

Well I just got done playing the first one on the schedule. It seems the play was very tight at all 4 tables I was on. And not getting any action until near the second break. When I got suckout on in all 4 tables. Even my Boat got beat, so I probably cant make an objective accessment of the game. But I plan on doing more research. LOL

My suggestion to this structure would be to remove the chips from play and just give the person an equity cut and deduct the rest from the prize pool.

From what I can figure (and I havn't played one yet but I will be later) they're trying to take the failed Matrix idea and resurrect it into MTT. Could be interesting....

You should be able to merge stacks whenever

Kinda wish I had money in ft so I could try this out.... seems kinda strange... guess I better win the freeroll today so I can! lol

i got like 10 bucks left on ft..thinking im gonna try this out

I like the idea, but as someone suggested I think it should be 1 buy-in should give you multiple entries in this format.

I am playing the $2.20 that starts in about 45 min only going to buy in 2 times but lets see what happens. I like the idea. I cash in a good % of the turny I play so this will only add to the amount I get to play at once. I tend to go for deep stack and prefer to play bigger fields so more opportunity for me to play.

i was looking to play in this one as well...however im still waiting for my rakeback bonus to get paid...taking longer than usual today

What I find a bit strange is how you can have one buy in place in the money when merged and still get the chips after being payed? You get twice the pay out for the chips. Not sure if I like it or not.

I've read the rules several times now... Seems to me your chip stack gets merged to the lowest chip stack; then if your in the money, you would receive that payout for that position.

Talk about the best of both worlds? or is this just odd. LOL

What about the 10-15 friends that enter for the max spots and get onto skype. I hate this idea, a freeze out tournament is a one shot deal, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

And the fact that all the double guarantee tournies at the end of the month are going to be this format makes it even worse.

Then dont play it. Not that complicated a fix. People would collude regardless and ftp is just tryng to mix it up and offer more unique games. And while i understand your concern, 10 people buying in for 12 spots each is not going to be profitable enough to share profits ldo.


! other thing, "you don't get to have your cake and eat it too" How does this fit into the context of your statement. Im falling back on my english and dont get how this makes sense.

I am interested in the how the stacks merge.
Looking forward to feedback from you guys who try it.
It seems like a cool idea.

From what I understand. 10 people left on 2 tables. You have stacks at both. 1 stack for 1K and the other for 1,5K. Someone goes out in 10th. 9 people left. What they do is they will give you 9th prize money and combine your 2 stacks, now you have 2,5K with 8 people left after the merge. Im not sure if this is write but that is my understanding of it.

I played the $2 deep stack just now! It was good fun! I also think its a good investment for good MTT players! Imagine: a normal $2 MTT that pays $250-$300 (not worth the time) is now paying up to 1K (worth the time) for first place and the same old fish are just adding 4 times the dead money!

Great idea tilt! I love it. Didnt cash tonight but Im sure after a week of playing it will turn out to be a good investment! For anyone who has been watching and learning from the really really REALLY good DTB MTT video selection this seems like a great way to get and keep a BR growing. The amount of fish in these games has just quadrupled! lol.

I am still in with one buy in left. currently 84 out of 251.

GL sir! TID

Now at 22 out of 50