| This is a discussion on WCOOP Main Event - AJKHoosier1 is a complete idiot! within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; Ok, so I have copied the following from the WCOOP Main Event final table. There are 5 people left, and this ass AJKHoosier1 is being ... |
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| WCOOP Main Event - AJKHoosier1 is a complete idiot! Ok, so I have copied the following from the WCOOP Main Event final table. There are 5 people left, and this ass AJKHoosier1 is being just plain childish and greedy! It is kind of long, but interesting to read. This guy thinks he is so good, then why is he the short stack? If I were liberace, I wouldn't have agreed just so this guy get's knocked out and does not make as much as he could have. He says something about his backers are saying NO. They are making more money than they backed him for no matter what...... I don't understand assholes! StaffBryanS [Host]: As you wish. One moment, please. ShoesRDurrty: dammit, favre just threw a pick 6 ShoesRDurrty: =instatilt StaffBryanS [Host]: Okay. Numbers ready. Two important things to remember. (Please no one type anything until all the numbers are published.) AJKHoosier1: right away gotta say im prob not doing it AJKHoosier1: but curious StaffBryanS [Host]: 1. In any arrangement, you must leave $200,000 aside to be awarded to the eventual Champion. This money cannot be chopped. The bracelet will go to the winner as well. Markush13: ok StaffBryanS [Host]: 2. This is of course only way to chop the remaining money up, and no one is obligated to accept any deal. ShoesRDurrty: yea fair enough just wanna check or w/e StaffBryanS [Host]: Having said that, the numbers by chip count chop is: StaffBryanS [Host]: [Please do not type anything until all numbers are published.] StaffBryanS [Host]: ckingusc: $1,065,432 StaffBryanS [Host]: liberace: $1,600,249 StaffBryanS [Host]: AJKHoosier1: $672,542 StaffBryanS [Host]: ShoesRDurrty: $781,153 StaffBryanS [Host]: Markush13: $866,718 AJKHoosier1: ok this isnt happening lol AJKHoosier1: not even all that close AJKHoosier1: first off liberace ur giving some up 100% AJKHoosier1: and i need like 80k ckingusc: my quote "yeah ajk is never taking that" AJKHoosier1: so lemme know. Markush13: lol.. 950k minimum liberace: i will take 1.3 plus play for the 200000 AJKHoosier1: yeah theres just no way 1.6m and play for 200 so we need to try to make this work AJKHoosier1: if mark needs 950 and i need 750 Markush13: heh.. AJ 750 too good ckingusc: if liberace is willing togive up the money it isnt AJKHoosier1: i am getting absolutely destroyed in those numbers ckingusc: fwiw im not budging AJKHoosier1: its not even remotely close ShoesRDurrty: i was gonna ask for more so im def not budging ShoesRDurrty: im fine w/ my cut tho AJKHoosier1: ok then if libe AJKHoosier1: is giving up 300 AJKHoosier1: i need 80 of it AJKHoosier1: or no deal ckingusc: that givesmarkush more then he watned AJKHoosier1: if other two are fine ShoesRDurrty: if mark is geting up to 950 i want 800 Markush13: 960k is good ShoesRDurrty: thats only 19 more AJKHoosier1: lol no AJKHoosier1: be fair Markush13: you will have that liberace: we still play fro 200000 right? AJKHoosier1: yes Markush13: ye ShoesRDurrty: haha just want a chance at 1mil ckingusc: lol ckingusc: think of tax reasons under 1mil is good! ShoesRDurrty: haha AJKHoosier1: ok so AJKHoosier1: i want 80 of that Markush13: ok.. so me 960k , AJ 750k AJKHoosier1: mark wants 90 Markush13: shoes 800k AJKHoosier1: then go 20k to cking and 10k to shoes AJKHoosier1: or wait AJKHoosier1: my math is way off AJKHoosier1: lol ShoesRDurrty: lol ckingusc: lol AJKHoosier1: nvm all of that ShoesRDurrty: he wont have to give up 300 i dont think ShoesRDurrty: itll be a bit less AJKHoosier1: all i know is i need 80K+ my chop AJKHoosier1: and i will accept AJKHoosier1: anything less and i wont AJKHoosier1: u guys can work out the rest ShoesRDurrty: mark needs 95 ShoesRDurrty: to get to 960 Administrator: 625 FPP Qualifier to the $1 Million Turbo Takedown begins in 5 minutes. Register now at T109676398 under the Tourney/All tab. ShoesRDurrty: i need 20 ShoesRDurrty: to get to 800 ShoesRDurrty: so thats 20+80+95 ShoesRDurrty: is what he needs to give up ShoesRDurrty: 195 liberace: done ShoesRDurrty: host, can you type up the new terms? Markush13: ye StaffBryanS [Host]: Certainly. One moment. AJKHoosier1: hold on guys AJKHoosier1: need to discuss w/ backers AJKHoosier1: acutally go ahead AJKHoosier1: lets see what htis comes out to Markush13: gogo Administrator: $5.50 PLO8 tourney w/ $1,000 guaranteed begins in TWO minutes. Register now @ T109499987 under the Tourney/All tab. StaffBryanS [Host]: .. StaffBryanS [Host]: Alright, here we go. StaffBryanS [Host]: Again, please... wait until the numbers are all out before typing anything. StaffBryanS [Host]: ckingusc: $1,065,432 StaffBryanS [Host]: liberace: $1,405,249 StaffBryanS [Host]: AJKHoosier1: $752,542 StaffBryanS [Host]: ShoesRDurrty: $801,153 StaffBryanS [Host]: Markush13: $961,718 StaffBryanS [Host]: $200,000 and the bracelet to the winner. AJKHoosier1: not to sound like a total dbag but im #1 in cardplayer opoy and #2 on pocketfives tournament rankings i think that should count for something Markush13: ok AJKHoosier1: and now i sound like a total dbag StaffBryanS [Host]: If you agree to the above numbers, please type 'I accept this deal.' ShoesRDurrty: u did get 75k more AJKHoosier1: but oh well ShoesRDurrty: ill agree to those numbers AJKHoosier1: 1.4 AJKHoosier1: still seems egregious liberace: i accept deal Markush13: I accept this deal ckingusc: i accept AJKHoosier1: lib im being told flat out i need a little more AJKHoosier1: not completely my call Markush13: dude... Markush13: a very good deal for you ckingusc: but ajk u know imgonna suck out on u ckingusc: u didnt calc that Markush13: only 524k for 5th AJKHoosier1: ive played this stack and these kind of situations more than just about anyone im not trying to be an ahole AJKHoosier1: im not planning on getting 5th mark = ( AJKHoosier1: 30k more from lib AJKHoosier1: and im good Markush13: i am sure... liberace: i would give it up but is it fair to othyers? ShoesRDurrty: thats fine i guess ckingusc: as long as mine stays, i dont care ckingusc: its up to u lib AJKHoosier1: ok then 30 more from liberace to me Markush13: as u wish.. i agree AJKHoosier1: write up the numbers liberace: ok StaffBryanS [Host]: One more time with the numbers... standby, please. StaffBryanS [Host]: ckingusc: $1,065,432 StaffBryanS [Host]: liberace: $1,375,249 StaffBryanS [Host]: AJKHoosier1: $782,542 StaffBryanS [Host]: ShoesRDurrty: $801,153 StaffBryanS [Host]: Markush13: $961,718 AJKHoosier1: ok fine agree liberace: i agree StaffBryanS [Host]: In the middle: the bracelet and $200,000 ShoesRDurrty: agree ckingusc: i agree Markush13: i agree StaffBryanS [Host]: We have a deal. StaffBryanS [Host]: Congratulations to each of you! Administrator: APPT-Auckland: 800+R FPP turbo to Sep 28th Qualifier starts in 5 minutes. To register see T109456855 under the APPT/FPP Satellites tab. AJKHoosier1: gla AJKHoosier1: gg congrats etc Markush13: gg StaffBryanS [Host]: We'll re-start the tournament now... best of luck to each of you. liberace: gg ShoesRDurrty: gg guys, lol nice deal ajk StaffBryanS [Host]: Dealer! Cards, please. ShoesRDurrty: pretty sick for u Dealer: Game #20619419056: liberace wins pot (480000) |
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| If I am that good to be chip leader in that tourney I would have told him to F-off and play for it. But of course I am not that good and I would just be crying that I am getting over 1mil I would do anything to get it over with lmao |
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| re: Poker & WCOOP Main Event - AJKHoosier1 is a complete idiot! Hey, the guy knows how to negotiate, he talked himself up 110k - which is a lot. 30k is still a lot of money - and liberace was a bad negotiator in that he flat out said he was willing to take 1.3 mill - so why would someone at the table let him get 1.4, when they know he's willing to take 1.3. Knowing liberace wanted the deal to work, AJ took advantage of it to get that last 30k. He should have first found out what everyone needed to get the deal to work and he coulda saved himself that last 30k -but at the end of the day he still won over 1.3 million which is crazy! |
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| re: Poker & WCOOP Main Event - AJKHoosier1 is a complete idiot! Ok, let me re-phrase what I said... AJK is an absolute IDIOT!! He made a deal and actually lost money if you look at the origional standings of the prize pool before the deal. He ended up getting third, which is a nice come back from his stack when they were down to 5. But he lost over $600,000. liberace ended up making the best deal with his second place finish and first place money. What I was meaning about him being an idiot is because he was being an arrogant ASS! I don't give two shits who you are, how good you are, what place you rank, play the game and go with what life gives you. |
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| (a) Stars chip chop deals are skewed slightly against the shorter stacks, especially in 5-way deals. (b) He is a pretty damn good donkament player (c) Quote:
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This still doesnt change the fact that AJK got him self a great deal,he was shortstacked and things not looking good. At the time the deal was aggreed it was in his favour securing more money since he looked to be the next out. |
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| As with most things poker, you can't base decisions retrospectively on results. I've made a few chops (not for anything like this amount) and it's about reducing variance in situations that don't arise too often. So you make the deal, then play it out, but the shape of deal related to the actual outcome isn't hugely relevant. |
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| Chopping based on chip count favors the big stack, not the short stack-- so you should almost always agree if you are chip leader (if not taking into account skill differences, etc.) Chopping based on ICM is a more fair way to go, especially if you are not chip leader. |
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| I understand chops, don't know if I would ever do one, but this one was crazy. I would feel like crap knowing that I came back to take third, but was still stuck with the 5th place money. I would feel good however if I were the first place chop that did recieve second! I guess I'm not to firm on chops because anything can happen and binding yourself to less or more money has it's pros and cons. I don't care how good you are, when your 22 years old and ranked #1 on a website, don't boast about it, it can come back to bite you in the ass. |
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It's like people who point out they folded K3 when the flop comes 333 as if it has any relevance. They still made the right decision. |
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Paul has the money to back himself and they address this in detail. Worth listening to. |
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Particularly if that was the case, I doff my cap to the guy. Quality work. Douchey, to be sure, but quality none the less. |
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| re: Poker & WCOOP Main Event - AJKHoosier1 is a complete idiot! Oz >> I agree that the comments were likely an angle shoot. I was commenting on 'face's' post about backers in general and the op using his own funds. Quote:
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| I was watching this final table, and I think AJK was playing on the fact he knew the chip leader was willing to go down to 1.3, meaning he had room to try and squeeze extra money out of him. I also think this left ShoesRDurrty with a raw deal. If I was ShoesRDurrty I would have asked for more after AJK did the second time. ShoesRDurrty had over 5 million chips, AJK only had about 3.5 million, yet ShoesRDurrty only got less than 20k more than AJK. I was very suprised when they didn't ask for me after this. |
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| re: Poker & WCOOP Main Event - AJKHoosier1 is a complete idiot! Jeez. I guess the larger amount of money makes people do stranger things. I watched KC's final table where he won $13K and a chop was barely even mentioned. (I think it was mentioned once, but was ignored amongst some trash talking observers.) |
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