An online advantage?

hi all - first time poster, long time reader. I was playing online at Bodog when I heard someone talk about a program called pokersync which SUPPOSEDLY is supposed to show you cards before they are dealt by somehow cracking the random number generation methods of online poker rooms.. being the skeptic that I am, I decided to ask if anyone has heard about this, and if so do you know if it's real or not? thanks ron

If it sounds too good to be true it usually is. Especially if its being sold for $29.95.

IT'S A REAL SCAM.

Yeah that cant be good and it would ruin the game for everyone

I highly doubt it . . . as in it just shows your the cards you are going to get, or all the cards in general? Most likely a scam.

I read somewhere that was there a flaw in the random number generator used by some poker sites because it was based on a function of date/time. All the clever IT people needed was to syncronise their PC with the poker site then using software they were able to predict the turn and river based on the cards dealt to the player and the flop.

Didnt last long before the poker sites got wise and changed the algorythm they used and as far as Im aware there is nothing that will predict the next card.....Id save your money if I was you and invest it instead in a good book on poker!

Scam! I have xray glass that I have been pedaling for a while. No biters yet!

I have a piece of the berlin wall, i want to sell.

So your telling me their selling some sort of time machine?

Yea that is a scam for shure and even if it wasnt why would someone want something like that it just ruins the game.

Because you couldn't fail to win!

I think the real question is, if such a program existed, why would anyone sell it, distribute it or even mention its existence?

This

lol this is a scam!

LOL at the notion of RNG's being "cracked" so easily.

As a software engineer myself, allow me to provide some technical insight and dispel some misinformation as to how modern RNG's work, hopefully at a level a layman can understand. A basic, out of the box RNG such as that supplied with most modern programming language libraries (such as the standard C runtime, .NET library, Java JRE, etc) typically is seeded by an application before use. A seed is a hopefully non-deterministic (i.e. not easily repeatable or predictable value, in fact a pseudo-random number itself) that "kicks off" the RNG and gives it something to start calculating from. Even basic programmers will take something pretty unpredictable like the machine uptime in seconds or milliseconds, which is *technically* exploitable but incredibly difficult to do so, because you'd have to determine the exact same seed value down the second or millisecond (and this is relative to when the computer was booted, not the absolute date/time). And due to the way RNG algorithms work, you have to be exact, there is no being "close." As a simplified example, seed values 1111111 and 1111112 will produce wildly different RNG results, so if you don't get it exactly right you might as well be a mile away.

Now any serious RNG algorithm, certainly one where millions of dollars and the integrity of the company behind it is at stake, is going to take this several steps further than grabbing a single value. They take multiple non-deterministic values, possibly timestamps but also various entropic (chaotic) values that cannot possibly be predicted, such as mouse movements, network latency timings, etc. They hash (mix in) those values to come up with what is for all practical purposes, a purely non-deterministic value. Combine that with the fact that many of these applications write their own RNG algorithms rather than using the "out of the box" one that comes with their development library, and those are typically trade secrets that nobody else is privy to. Also, many re-seed themselves at random intervals as well, so they're never running forever on the same seed.

All of these layers within layers of RNG initialization and calculation virtually guarantee that any serious RNG is not practically "crackable," at least not without a lot of inside knowledge.

Now, there have been poker site cheating scandals in the early days of poker, and most recently of note, with the UB/AP scandals, where hole cards were known to players. However these exploits had nothing to do with RNG prediction. Early site network protocols actually sent hole card info across the wire to every client, which made it trivial to exploit once that was discovered. Of course that was quickly remedied and now you only receive your own cards and those that are shown down. In the UB/AP situation, several players (employees or former employees) had access to a backdoor login to the site's servers that allowed them to monitor hole cards on the server itself. This backdoor was unknown to the new owners of UB/AP at the time, and once they realized it, they closed this down as well.

So anybody telling you they've "cracked" the RNGs of even one poker site, let alone "all of them," are unequivocally SCAMMERS preying on the greed and technical ignorance of players who will do anything to cheat.

yes that is consider cheating and I would assume that all the major poker site are against the use of that program it could even be illegal. Plus it sounds too good to be true most likely a scam.

Thats the truth why would you mention it. lol But still i wouldnt want to cheat it would take all the fun out of it.

That'd be really funny. It does show the card you are going to get. It unfortunately also shows the 51 cards you aren't going to get right next to that.

well good to know that players cant see other players cards

sometimes i wonder if there are poker bots... and how to tell

rng crack is pretty much impossible