mucking cards

In a showdown situation like that, I thought both players had to show their cards. "Show one show all" is the standard rule when you do show the cards, I believe.

thanks i was hoping that someone not in the hand couldnt ask. the guy is a real ball buster and it would be great to make him eat his words

Tell him to go screw himself...you dont have to show your cards....

The winning hand has to flip over his full hand anyways. Oh and at most casinos (atleast in cash games) if the other person asks to see the hole cards of a player who mucks I believe the dealer is willing to flip it over.

dont listen to him...At home games you dont have to do anything.....House rules....

I agree, you've got to try to get away with shady things in home games, especially with inexperienced members who don't know or have never played.... but both SHOULD show.

Next time, try doing something like flipping over your cards in front of you on the river without calling or folding and see how the shit hits the fan because no one understood the official rules. Then when he thinks you called, he says you win...because he had no hand anyway, you can explain: HOW CAN WE PLAY BY OFFICIAL RULES if people don't know them and no one can enforce them!? Take the chips and then explain that you never called or folded, but thanks anyway! If you lose the hand...even better...b/c you never called.

Wow could you be any more of a moron ? You go to showdown you flip over your entire hand, no questions asked.

OK guys. No need to get in a twist about whether or not to muck your cards. Keep it civil.

You have to show both cards. You should of showed both and even though you didnt, he had the right to ask and see it

loool. You flamers kill me !

Hes saying that since its a home game you can change the rules. Whats next? your flopped straight loses to a river flush and your going to change the rules so that a straight beats a flush?

Really?.bah..I'd consider it more of a very questionable bending of 1 rule.

Well said spade

in home games house rules prevail but in a real game at the casinos i have played at if it comes to a showdown then they flip the cards but if it isnt a showdown then if you dont muck your cards you cant just show one person you have to show the table

Just a couple points base on "Robert's Rules of Poker", the standard on which most card rooms are based (although house rules can take precedence in certain circumstances).

POKER ETIQUETTE

The following actions are improper, and grounds for warning, suspending, or barring a violator:
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Telling anyone to turn a hand faceup at the showdown.
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My Note: Turning cards up did not even enter the picture until TV ratings and hole cams came into play. This practice was invented in the US for tournaments and is widely adopted in home/private games. And if this is a cash game, you are not required to turn up cards at showdown unless a house rule prevails or you lay claim to a pot.

DECISION-MAKING

1. Management reserves the right to make decisions in the spirit of fairness, even if a strict interpretation of the rules may indicate a different ruling.
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THE SHOWDOWN

1. To win any part of a pot, a player must show all of his cards faceup on the table, whether they were used in the final hand played or not.
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5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that is eligible to participate in the showdown, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins.

6. Show one, show all. Players are entitled to receive equal access to information about the contents of another player’s hand. After a deal, if cards are shown to another player, every player at the table has a right to see those cards. ... If only a portion of the hand has been shown, there is no requirement to show any of the unseen cards. The shown cards are treated as given in the preceding part of this rule.

Anyway, just my $.02. Actually, I guess it was more like a $.25.

He paid to see your hand, you have to show.

Heh, we had this argument a few times in our house game a few years back.


Matt would make a huge bluff. Joe would call him down.... Matt immediately knew that his 10 high was no good, and would muck. Joe would argue that he paid to see Matt's cards and should see them, Matt would argue that he paid to win the pot, and he did so to shut up

Funny stuff, but IMO Joe already knew that Matt had nothing, so there is no point in seeing the cards....

I didn't think of this until I saw your post, but I've noticed that in live cash games (and I'm specifically talking about B&M casinos here), this isn't often enforced as you move up in levels. At least from where I've been, played, and seen, most times if you get called down on the river and choose to muck, it usually goes without hassle and the caller gets the chips. I'm not necessarily agreeing with this (as I like to see cards that I've paid to see), but it's just something I noticed.