Hole Card Confessions Study Group with Owen Gaines to begin Jan 15th

Owen Gaines (QTip) is an instructor on Drag the Bar and has written 3 well regarded poker books.

http://www.qtippoker.com/

In the course of a thread about how to improve CC the idea of having a study group/.thread built around a poker book with involvement from the author came up.

Drag the Bar has done a lot with CC in the past and Dakota has said that if we can get enough people to commit to it she could almost certainly get Owen to participate in a study group based around one of his books. We would need at least 6 or 7 people but of course more is better.

What would be expected from us would be to of course agree on a book and then I think we could probably cover a chapter a week. Read the chapter and discuss in detail.

I would be willing to post some sort of chapter summary or outline on a weekly basis but please understand that this is no substitute for reading the material.

If you are interested in doing this and willing to put in the effort please post in this thread or PM me or one of the mods. Please indicate which book you would like to cover.

As soon as we have enough people committed and a book selected I will follow up with Dakota so she can set things up with Owen.

FWIW my choice of book would be "Hole Card Confessions" but "Poker Perspectives" or "Poker Math that Matters" would be great also and I will happily join in with what is agreed upon.

MODs: I don't do a lot of this stuff so please move or edit as you see fit.

Bill

I would prefer Hole Card Confessions.

In and committed, excellent idea, especially if we can get Owen Gaines to come and visit the thread from time to time.

+1

im in, let me know

Since I am not familiar with his books, can you tell me (and others) what player level this book deals with (beginner, intermediate, advanced, expert, etc)

Im in. HCC is my first choice as well.

im pretty interested but never did apoker study group, are we discussing the book one chapter at a time or the book in whole, ill have to get a copy of the book. count me as half in until i know what te schedule is and a lil more info on what we'll be doing. but if we are doing team sessions watching each others screens then i,m prob not in

We won't be watching each other's screens.

I participated in a group study Owen did on Poker Math That Matters. This was the first one Owen had done and once tech was worked out it turned out really good. I would love to do HCC with him.

I'd love to participate, big fan of Owens and love the way he teaches stuff.

Hole Card Confessions would be my first choice also

Begginners and advances players would benefit equally imo. The two i've read were good because you could be just learning 2nl and still learn lots or struggling to beat 50-100nl for a decent winrate and still learn just as much, if that makes any sense.

In for HCC and I'd say it's a book aimed at micro to small stakes players. Owen is a great teacher so I'm sure getting him to go through the book with us will be a great added benefit to reading the book itself.

I'd love to be in, great idea , dont know any of his books to be honest so I am happy with other peoples choices, whichever it is I am sure I would benefit

I will be able to if it's after January.

Most likely to start end of January or Feb (depending on Owen obviously) because we'll want to give everyone enough time to get the book and read through it before starting.

I'm in just give me enough time to get the book, will probably have to order it so 2 weeks would be a good leeway.

Before placing orders we probably should talk to Owen first. Not that the book itself isn't worth reading, it certainly is, but I don't want anyone getting upset if they order the book and then the group falls through because Owen has other commitments or whatever.

Interested...

super great idea
now all i want for christmas is one of owens books
hope it all comes together, it would be amazing for all interested

Very true, we cant all just expect Owen to just come give us kids his wisdom! If it doesn't work out like that then maybe those of us interested could still discuss certain chapters together anyways and get some discussion going that revolves/expands on certain ideas. Maybe with our own hand histories and how we've tried applying certain chapters to our game... just an idea

This sounds marvelous! I'm a huge Owen fan too--HCC sounds perfect as I haven't read that one yet.

Im naive here but yall are saying this dude wrote these books. if so two words for everyone GROUP DISCOUNT

So we are gonnaread a chapter and discuss what was written or discuss actual hands. it sounds good as i need to start getting more focused

There is enough interest here for me to go ahead and contact him - will let you know as soon as I have a response.

+1000

Woot!

For sure, and bringing our own hands into it is a great idea imo, so we have some real examples. Plus it would make us focus more while playing, looking for such spots to bring to the group.

Damn...i hate spending money.

IN

Hi crew. It's been a while since I've been in these forums; however, Debi recently contacted me to inform me of your idea of going through Hole Card Confessions.

I'd be happy to participate.

I do, however, want to add my time is spread very thin right now. So, there may be times when I'm a day or two behind in responses.

I think Hole Card Confessions will be a good book for a study like this. However, the first 34 pages will probably be very basic for most people who post in poker forums. So, you may wish to go over that portion more quickly and then begin getting into the theme of the book, which starts on page 35.

I did recently reduce the price - on my website only - for the ebook of Hole Card Confessions to $24.95.

Just let me know when you would like to start and someone can either email or PM me a link to the thread.

Thanks Owen - that is awesome!!

For those of you who want to participate - go to Owen's site to purchase the book - it is linked in the OP and in his signature.

alaskabill - gonna let you run with this one since you have done a great job of getting it started. Just let me or WVHillbilly know if you need help with anything or have questions about what to do.

If its not too late to join count me in.

Wonderful, wonderful news! As far as timing goes, I vote for after the new year...maybe the 2nd or 3rd week in January? Thanks so much, Owen!

Great idea. I am in the middle of another course at present so will give this a miss this time but would definitely be interested in the future. Good luck to everyone who takes part.

Just in time to add this book to my Christmas wish list.

Count me in!

tks Owen!!!

Thanks to Owen for doing this and thank you Dakota for contacting him and setting this up.

I think the next thing to do is to agree on a start date. Obviously right now holiday season takes precedence and we will need a bit of time to get the book and read it etc. My suggestion is to start on Jan. 15th. Its a sunday two weeks after New Years.

I can write up a brief outline/summary of the first 34 pages on a Saturday afternoon/evening so it will be waiting for you. and we can go from there. I could as a default summarize a new chapter each Sunday giving us a week to cover each section in depth. If you want a faster or slower pace speak up.

This is just a suggestion. I am completely open on dates and such so speak up and let's figure this out over the next few days if we can. Also, as to format, pace, or if someone else wants to do some writing or anything please let me know. I am completely willing to run with this but I don't want anyone to feel that we are missing out on something.

When we get closer to our agreed start date, I will try to PM everyone who has expressed interest in doing this as well as bumping this thread.

I sense awesomeness in the future.

Just curious if you participated in Owen's other "class" on Poker Math That Matters. He has this pretty wired and it sounds like you might be reinventing the wheel. He's such a nice guy he might go along with whatever and we'd miss out on what he does. Just a suggestion to talk over with him what and how he does it (if that hasn't happened already - if so tell me to STFU).

Other than that appreciate what your doing and great idea to get well past the holidays before starting.