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| Notes on online Players? Is this a good idea or is it a waste of my time? |
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| I care more about taking notes on regulars. There's a lot of people that you're only going to see once, maybe twice. So taking notes on them, while helpful for the time you're playing, likely won't ever help you again. When you have regulars, it's good to know what their tendencies are, as this enables you to better exploit them. When you take notes, be sure to date them, as players will improve over time, and if the note is from 2 years ago, it may no longer apply. Elaborate as well; there is plenty of space for you, so use it. |
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| Its hard to learn someone tendencies if you only run across then once or twice in a tournement room or table online. I would If you are taking note in this situation take notes on plays you see other player make and if you see something enough you will be better equiped to handle that same move in the future. |
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| There's nothing wrong with taking notes about players, and there was a thread not too long ago here on CC that had some excellent advice about notetaking that you might search for. I've found that if you spend much time in the same level games on the same sites, you will see a lot of the same players over and over, and the notes might give you a little leg up on them if you have done a good job of keeping them. A couple of days ago, I was moved to a new table and ran into a player that I had previously noted had a tendency to put out huge raises to try and steal pots, but would fold if re-raised. Sure enough, just like clockwork he did it twice, I raised both times, and he was quickly crippled. The notes can help! |
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| re: Notes on online Players? poker I find it only neccessary when you are playing in a high stakes ring game, where you will see the same players for an hour straight. In tournament poker, you might only see the same person at your table for 15 minutes. Obviously there are exceptions, but those are what make sense to me. |
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Freerolls or low stakes NLHE at Poker Stars, it's probably pointless. But as Kwoff pointed out, if you have the time why not? If you color code them to mean different things, you don't even have to fill in the notes right away, if at all. Truth be told, I play a wide variety of games, and usually don't take notes unless someone really stands out in a certain way (i.e. donk, a-hole, clueless, hyper-aggressive, or just very good or nice & friendly). However, I think I should take notes more often. |
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And yes, players do change and they do get better, which is why I date the info that I put in notes. BTW, how can it be a "waste of time?" What does it take, a few seconds to click and type in a few abbreviations? Unless you're in on every single hand like a donk, don't you have a few extra seconds that you could try to squeeze a note in? Poker is such a complex game, every little bit helps, right? |
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| I like the idea of dating your notes. This is something I haven't been doing and never thought of, but will start doing (so thanks Mase!). The notes can be quite informative, especially if you see a note that you took recently about betting patterns being replicated again. Also, in my mind, I think that taking notes as part of learning poker. If I don't pay attention to the play online, I might run into trouble when I'm up against players in a live game where hands progress at a slower rate. Edit: does anyone have any good suggestions for color coding? Last edited by ryodejaneiro : 15th February 2009 at 11:28 PM. Reason: Added a question at the end. |
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| This is never a bad idea or a waste of your time, but you have to remember that at any given time there are 10,000 + players on one site at one time. This means that note taking is useful, however, you have a lot of people to cover, and it might take you a long while to even get half of them done. I would say that when you notice something......take notes, take notes, take notes, and take notes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| re: Notes on online Players? poker Its 'almost' pointless for freerolls, but if you play $5+ SNG's or private tournies alot it can be 'extremely' useful. Another thing that is useful is something like poker tracker which gives you even more information then you could possibly remember yourself. |
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(basically as said before) My color tags are: red - maniac/all in pf donk pink - very weak fish green - friend yellow - dangerous orange - dangerous + aggressive blue- tight light blue - tight-passive ultraviolet - tight-aggressive |
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| I think taking notes is a good idea when you will play with the same players often like the higher stakes games or private tournaments, i myself am too lazy to take notes but when ever i play in private freerolls like the CC freerolls, i use holdem indicator (it's free for play money games and freerolls) its a holdem calculator that also picks up player stats, and also clasifies everyone from a calling station to a good player after 40 hands. |
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| I have tried creating a template for this very thing. I find myself playing a few of the same people over and over again. However since I use a HUD I already have the stats, but I don't have betting patterns. Position:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ XDATEX XTABLEXSTAKESX Hands seen from **Button (Range +/- )** (StrtFlsh /Qds / FlHs /Flsh /Strt /Trp /2Pr /1Pr /HC /Air ) (Chased Strt /Chased Flsh ) **+1 (Range +/- )** (StrtFlsh /Qds / FlHs /Flsh /Strt /Trp /2Pr /1Pr /HC /Air ) (Chased Strt /Chased Flsh ) **+2(Range +/- )** (StrtFlsh /Qds / FlHs /Flsh /Strt /Trp /2Pr /1Pr /HC /Air ) (Chased Strt /Chased Flsh ) **+3(Range +/- )** (StrtFlsh /Qds / FlHs /Flsh /Strt /Trp /2Pr /1Pr /HC /Air ) (Chased Strt /Chased Flsh ) **+4(Range +/- )** (StrtFlsh /Qds / FlHs /Flsh /Strt /Trp /2Pr /1Pr /HC /Air ) (Chased Strt /Chased Flsh ) **+5(Range +/- )** (StrtFlsh /Qds / FlHs /Flsh /Strt /Trp /2Pr /1Pr /HC /Air ) (Chased Strt /Chased Flsh ) **+6(Range +/- )** (StrtFlsh /Qds / FlHs /Flsh /Strt /Trp /2Pr /1Pr /HC /Air ) (Chased Strt /Chased Flsh ) **+7 (Range +/- )** (StrtFlsh /Qds / FlHs /Flsh /Strt /Trp /2Pr /1Pr /HC /Air ) (Chased Strt /Chased Flsh ) ********OTHER NOTES******** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes, I am not able to get all the notes that I would like to get on each hand, but the ones that I do get are pretty nice to have as I can view them with a quick glance. Additionally, once you start taking the notes, and try to make that process a regular discipline,(even if you are not playing the hand) you will notice that you are picking up on specific patterns very quickly. Thus giving you the best edge overall. Everyone takes notes differently, but taking notes is a sign that you are ready to pay attention to the betting patterns and you will be able to adjust your own game as a result. |
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I mean no disrespect, but I don't see how you can possibly do all this and pay attention to a single game. And feasable how would it be to quickly decipher the mountain of info when you'd be in a hand situation with that person (or 2!)? Where do you keep at the notes anyway? Ah, I still say you're joking. |
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| re: Notes on online Players? poker Quote:
and here I thought you were serious about learning better poker. ... To clean up my notes on you, I would be interested in whether you use 'FG' (FootGuard) or 'DX' (DeseneX) on your puppy-feet .. |
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| U cannot see your opponents faces and you should always be observing your opponents. Information is extremely valuable to you, and as you get a feel for individual players, you should take your notes on them. Detailed notes not only helps you pay attention to your game and your opponent's tendencies, but ensures that if you run into that player again, you will already have a step up on him. |
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I usually start taking notes on the ones I have the most information on. Like I said, I have the use of a HUD for the stats. So I already keep a history of people that I have played before. Those are usually the ones I start with. After that, I start watching table to find out who is the aggressor is and start noting him. I can note the others at the table as the action happens sometimes, but the table aggressor is the one that I am most likely to run into first. And sometimes that makes him my priority. Quote:
I would never consider someone's notes as the solitary factor to making a move. But with notes, I have more information to consider when I have to make a decision in the current game. As a result of keeping notes, I now have a better indication of how to play that move with confidence because I currently know what the texture is. Also, convenient side effect of taking notes. Quote:
keeping notes means, ~YOU ARE PAYING ATTENTION~ If there ever was 1 thing that someone can do better with taking notes........paying attention is it! I can, after many trails and practice, accurately keep notes with a better level of focus on the overall game in a simple-to-me rhythm. Taking notes is something you have to be dedicated to. If you are going to take time to take notes, consider taking the time to create a template to start from first. Make a plan of what you are going to look for. Then make it easy for you to use, designed by yourself. I'm sure that once you start doing this on your own, you get to a point that you will begin to change the information you want to look for. Templates are easy to change. I just gave the template that I'm most comfortable with because of my own trials and practice in using it. Personally my best notes come from the hands I sit out. I would just play at one table until you get your own template set-up. After you become more comfortable what notes you are going to take, you can simply set the template with copy/paste and then mark tally areas. Quote:
I also save my template on a separate word doc. Since I just copy the template I am able to simply paste (Ctrl+V) it into the notes area over and over. Then mark the appropriate areas of the template as I note. |
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| Waste of time! Good players vary their play. Just because they stole alot of blinds yesterday doesn't mean they are not playing squeeky tight today. The only notes I make are on people who complain about slow play, so that if I get in a game with them again, I can play slow and try to get them on tilt. |
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| re: Notes on online Players? poker Quote:
You're right that good players DO vary their play, but out of all the players all the different levels of play, what percentage of them do you think should be considered "good players?" As is brought up here VERY often, there are a TON of fish and donks out there, who are not good players and WILL make the same mistakes over and over and over again, so what's it hurt to take notes on them? And yes, players can improve over time, so that's where dating your notes comes into play. And another thing, I don't think that anyone that's recommending taking notes would ever advise making decisions solely based upon what those notes might tell you about a player, but rather that they are just another little piece of info that can be added to all the others available to you when you are making a poker decision. There's nothing that's a "waste of time" about having as much info to consider as possible when you are thinking about your next move. |
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| I am offering advice because I am a successful player. A very wise woman once said, "There ain't no man who got money in his hand got any of that bread by being slow in the head". The amount of donks playing poker for money is greatly overestimated. It is one of those things that "If it seems to good to be true, it probably is". Google gives alot of results, and most of them are bad. There is such a thing as information overload. Mistakes are made by overthinking. The Brits have a great expression for it, "Too clever by half". Last edited by GDRileyx : 17th February 2009 at 10:28 AM. Reason: typo, move period outside quotation marks |
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| Any edge you can achieve on someone, in my opinion is worth having. Granted if you expect to never see that person again don't worry about it. when I play at higher stakes or even tourny's I see the same people over and over again so it is helpful to make note of those things beacause that may be the difference between winning and loosing. |
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| is it a good idea or a waste of time Its essential! Unless you have great intuition and we all think we do. Most of us are logic thinkers and poker is a game of information. So I believe you should take as much notes and gather as much information as possible. I started out by simply putting a R for raise and a L for limp if a tight player has 8 L's and all the sudden he Raises well you know he has a strong hand. DonkeySmash |
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