Micro stakes (2NL): continuation bets?

Hi, I'm wondering about continuation bets with 2NL.

Say I raise to 3BB preflop and one person calls. If I flop dead, should I make a continuation bet or just let it go?

Way to many variables.
Like stack sizes and who your oponent is.

But in general i cant see how u could lose money by cbetting 100% of your range HU at 2nl since all the villains are terrible and will not adjust.

We have just been having a chat about this very topic in this thread. Page 3 I think it starts on. ***February Cash Game Thread***

Basically as preflop raiser, you should be c-betting the flop most of the time, 80-90% as a lot of players at these levels love to call your preflop raise just to see if they can hit domething on the flop, when they miss they will fold to a c-bet.

I really wonder about that. Seems very villain dependent to me. I think I over C-bet sometimes, and end up throwing chips at somebody who paired a 2 or some other garbage and just -will- -not- -fold-. I just lost a pot to somebody where I had 64o in the bb and flopped 2 pair on a rainbow board. They held on to the end and picked up a runner-runner flush. Against people like that c-betting is just throwing chips away unless you have something with showdown value, cuz you're going to showdown if they have -anything-, even if it's just a backdoor draw. Or maybe 2 cards they think are pretty. Who knows. Then again, I played somebody tonight who is over 95% fold to c-bet. I'd cbet them a lot, but not 100%. I don't entirely agree that people don't adjust at these levels. For example, I find that if I'm stealing against someone who's really tight and generally folds to steals a lot, if I'm consistently doing it, they start reraising me.

I think a decent number of them are alert enough to notice if you do something that represents strength a lot more often than you are likely to actually be strong.

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Not sure it'll help, but in addition to fold to flop cbet, you might try looking at fold to turn cbet and WTSD...

What sort of relationship between WTSD and other stats should we be looking for? Or should WTSD be treated seperately?

I mostly ignore WTSD because it takes a long time to converge and I don't really know what I should be looking for even when it does. I mean, it's going to be different if they're LAG/TAG, it's also going to be off if they're betting their way to showdown frequently rather than just calling (I haven't actually paid close enough attention to know this, it's just assumption).

I agree. I play micro, and, IMO, it is definitely villain dependent. But I believe c-betting is the right way to go, depending on position and flop. I am usually ultra-tight when I am new on a table, unless a premium hands comes right away, then I will try to cultivate an aggressive image. But I c-bet a lot, and for the most part, on the flop, if I was involved in any kind of PF action, it c-bet or fold for me, excepting the times I hit zip and can see the turn 4 free, but there c-betting can be a great weapon as well even if I checked the flop, also depending on position. This can apply to the river as well, but w/o a read on your villains there it can be a bit more dangerous, position is always a factor.

It's not my favorite stat. I use flop cbet/turn cbet to look for floating behaviors/two barrel opportunities (i.e., low fold to flop cbet/high fold to turn cbet) - in conjunction with those and AF, I use WTSD as a loose guideline of how much a cs the player is.

Like you say, WTSD can't be taken independently, takes a long time to converge (100's of hands at least), and a "normal" WTSD for an 18/15 is not "normal" for a 28/23 (worse, a 60/3 - for these guys, I'd have no idea how to interpret WTSD).

A possible line to address this problem (picked it up from a video I watched a few weeks ago) - people call too much at micro, it's the biggest exploitable leak at the very micro microstakes. So, you're pfr, you have position (much better to do this in position rather than oop) - cbet the flop relatively large, like 80% pot (barring board texture and villain specific considerations for the moment). We're expecting bad players to call flops alot, but to give up on the turn - charge them a lot to see the turn. Cbet the turn much smaller, something around 60% pot (again, barring board texture and villain specific considerations) - that should be enough to get them off alot of their hands.

So, if they're calling too much w 2nd pair type hands or A hi hands that they have to give up on the turn, we got the most out of them on the flop when they're making their mistake, and exposed ourselves to a smaller potential loss on the turn when the pot is bigger and when they have to fold.

But I understand OP's frustration to be the guys that absolutely won't give it up with any piece of the board or pocket pair. Once I figure out that someone won't give up, I shut down much earlier unimproved - out of position, I'll sometimes c/f the flop if I missed and the cs has position on me.

Just keep in mind that one of these times we will improve on the flop or turn - and we can valuetown the bajeezus out of them, cuz they won't fold that pair/draw/whatever. No matter how irritated I am by the cs that has position on me and won't fold to even three barrels w pocket 2's, I won't leave the table cuz I know he'll call me down when I hit a strong hand.

i play loads of microstakes, i hardly ever cbet, i found out the hard way the people there like to call you down with A high or a small pair. i have been doing fine without cbeting.

I have been playing micro for a lil bit and have worked my way up from 2nl to 10nl and doing good so far at 10nl. i think there is a few to factors to keep in mind when cbet flops. first u have to understand ur opp. is he a callin station, folds to a ton of cbet, or just a crazy nuts that wants to reraise or float and donk the turn or whatever. i guess a more aggressive player to put it. second i think whether u miss the flop or connect i think u need to keep in the front of ur mind is the board texture. thats important, learning how to read board textures. some boards that are super wet are not a good board to cbet and the dry one are the best to cbet if u miss. also i think a big part is how much ur betting when cbetting. keep betting patterns the same, i kno at 2nl not many ppl are paying attention but if u start now and when u get to a limit where they are more aware it will come nature since u have been doing it already all the time. i am still learning myself so i am no expert but this is what has helped me grind my way up to where i am now. i think at mirco limits there is no need to get fancy. i think the best winning style is abc poker and once that style is very embedded into ur game and when u get higher up with thinking player u can start to add more sofistacated moves but at mirco really abc poker is the best way to win and move up. thats what has worked for me so far. hope this help and makes sense.