Dont overvalue AA

I had been playing with him for a while. He was very predictable. He could have been doing this with JJ, but AA-QQ was also very much his range for this. He was 13/6 over 110 hands. He didnt even consider that I could have been set mining. He was very transparent and predicable the whole time I played with him. He had many chances to call instead of RR till the all in. I had been very aggresive with my good hands, and had been folding to 4 bets when I was trying to steal or bluff.....

My point here is if you play AA like its AA, and you meet firm resistance, maybe you should re evaluate.....

Poker Stars - $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $4.16
BB: $2
UTG: $2.27
UTG+1: $12.50
MP: $4.46
MP+1 Hero: $12.55
CO: $2.14
BTN: $1.93
oooTiBeTooo - Sitting Out

Pre-flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP+1 and dealt
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, MP folds, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.08, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $2.72, Hero raises to $8.61, UTG+1 raises to $12.35 (All-in), Hero calls $3.74 (All-in)

Turn: ($25.17) (2 players)

River: ($25.17) (2 players)

Final Pot: $25.17

Showdown:
UTG+1 shows (a pair of aces)
Hero shows (a set of eights)
Outcome: Hero wins $23.92

Nh

I agree you should evaluate...but its so bloody hard to fold those rockets!

He should have folded when you 4 (or is it 5) -bet to $8.61 I think, but idk if I would be able to do it. I need to learn to fold aces

He played it not so good. I mean it was dry flop. You would re-raise pre with QQ KK AA. The action you showed on the flop shows pure set. Of course its a matter of player, some stupidos can put all his chips with AJ. So pay attention to other players. The way I would have played those aces - I think I would call the flop. And then continue to bet on turn if I get a raise I fold. But its scary to get into trap other person may make deception just call turn then I'm dead. The river is scary board so check, check may be possible. But if some blank river comes, I value again, fold ir raise. Idk what person would make a raise on the river with nothing. I mean I should spot him somehow that he may play this way. On the conclusion every aces is played differently for sure. So I think poker is a thing that you need to be like animal in nature. lol.

To be fair to your villain though, he was still very unlucky to lose with pocket AAs.. It is a sick way to lose when your opponent flops a set. The board always does a very good job at disguising them when its a 2 outer. I must admit, i would have a very hard time folding AAs. To be perfectly honest with you, i don't think i have ever folded AAs.

After your 2nd raise on the flop, yeah, he could have thought about it some. Especially when guys are that tight pre, though, sometimes they just HAVE to see.

Were you playing tight or loose?, have you been playing TPTK aggressively?
May be the reason he thought his AA was good here.
I consider folding AA in a spot like villain if my aggressive opponent is tight.

Maybe not fold, but certainly check and call only if I meet raises

shouldn't be stacking off here with AA.. he can't really fold but a 6 bet jam with one pair?

it does depends against who though, if he's a 13/6 then he's obv a reg/nit and should know better against another reg.. assuming he's using a HUD and then should have 110 hands on fletch, enough to know he's not a fish as well stacking on the flop in that spot with one pair is super bad..

people saying that he played it horribly are right, but he doesn't ALWAYS have a set here, he has some bluffs in his range (for the initial check-raise) and some weird draws (maybe?) and TP hands, check raising shows a lot of strength because of the dryness of the board so..

yeah thats my opinion on it, correct me if I'm wrong..

and if you've never folded AA postflop before, learn lol

Just played a hand similar to this but with a donker kind of player. I had position and aces and 3bet pre-flop. He donked the flop very small, so I raised. He called and donked the turn small again. My raise put him all in only to find his set.

I would only fold AA on the flop if I got my raise re-raised and we were both deep and even so, not always because I'm a dumb fish. Apart from that I'm shoving 100% of the time and expect to be ahead a large percentage of time in the micros.

Last night playing in a live tournament...Player had about 3k in chips for 300/600/50 blinds..He was in BB and a two players had limped into the hand, he goes ahead and raises it to 1200 both players proceed to call (one was UTG the other player UTG+1)..Flop is 10 9 8..BB shoves his AA on this flop and UTG shoves all in and player last to act called...First player was open ended and second player had set of tens for top set.

He was thinking about trying to get value on his Aces when he should have just shoved his 5bbs preflop...I mean the pocket tens wasn't going to fold to 4more bbs there but thats not the point.

NH you had above BTW

and if you've never folded AA postflop before, learn lol[/quote]

Easier said then done, especially on a dry board like that. From my experience, sets are very rare against pocket AAs. Normally your opponent is betting out on the flop with top pair top kicker, or even nothing against some Lagtards. Normally though, i try to get it all in preflop with Pocket AAs or on the flop.

Well if you think the hand through then your beat a fair bit of the time against a reg, especially after the like millionth bet got in on the flop one pairs never gonna be good.

Stacking with AA on the flop against a decent player will usually end up with you losing a buyin.

If he leads then raise for value but if he comes back over the top then you need to make your decision there and then. Its not always just a 'lolz I have an overpair, all in' moment.

ON TOP of the fact that this is 5nl, there's no metagame or history or anything to it.. no real reason to ship your stack in as a 6 bet, sometimes you need to muck AA.

surely the fact it is 5nl makes it more likely they are spewing, not to mention hands they are value betting that we have beat, AJ, KJ QJ J10, QQ, KK, maybe even 1010, sure he may have a set but without reads I dont assign a tight enough range to fold there. assuming players are decent by default is usually a bad idea.

fletch had stats saying that he was a nit, 13/6 aren't spazzes and I'm sure there's a load of regs at 5nl.. this is why we're assuming he's not so much of a fish.

but the fact is most regs (I'm assuming he's a reg because of his stats over 110 hands) wouldn't play top pair like this most of the time..

KK, QQ, AK get 3 bet so they're NEVER in his range and if he had AJ, KJ, QJ then he'd more likely check call a flop bet than lead out..

Leading at the micros in my experience, is either really strong (sets, two pairs) or 2nd pairs trying to see where they are, though most monsters get check/raised more often.

He could be shit/tight, in which case he has no clue how to play post-flop and could be spazzing, fair enough.

and I never said check/folding was the option I'd take, just stacking off here is bad because when you get called your normally done for, THATS my point.

KK QQ should be 3bet pre, however bad bad nits tend to not want to get the money in until they have seen a flop with no overcards. Im not necessarily arguing with you in the case of a reg with decent stats and winrate, but learning to fold over pairs on dry boards is not the most necessary skill at low stakes.

sorry, didn't mean to come over as hostile. I just think since the board is so dry, then its a spot to try and pot control instead of stacking with one pair, hate stacking so light without the lead tbh.

He could have KK or QQ maybe but I'm pretty sure KK and QQ fit into his 6% raising range.

In the micros its not so bad but I just think that players need to take who they're playing against into consideration before shipping it.