Are you considered a good tournament player

Jayplay916

Jayplay916

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I have no bankroll at all. Ive won 4, placed within top 9 of 10, and placeed ITM 13 of 20 tournament from freerolls to micro-limit tournament as of late only to take the little amount of money I won to a cash game only to loose it on all in from a player who calls my usual 3 or 4 bet preflop raise with a pair of threes and I flop top pair top kicker. Naturally Im all in because Im short stacked trying to double and a 3 hits the river. Question using the tournament info above how well would you predict I would do at higher stakes lets say 20+2 buy-in tourneys? Also is the competition really tougher with higher buy-ins? Is winning higher stakes tournament harder or can they actually be easier? I feel like my last 20 tournament Ive done almost should I say exceptionately well and know if those 3 wins I had were for bigger buy-ins I could of easily cashed out in the thousand range. Do you think I should stay away from cash games. Ive been focusing on learning MTT tournaments maybe have forgot how to play cash game style. My main Question is do you think that my tournament wins 3 of 20 and my cash places is good whats your opinon
 
Acesinthebig

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Yes the answer to your question is yes, it's completely different game the higher stakes you go. Not only do the external factors change but also internally. Can you make the same raises that are necessary with more money at risk? You are on the positive of variance which is a good place to be. Start escalating slowly to see if it fits you. There will be people who don't care about the money at every level but there are a lot more of them at the lower levels.
 
Psyanide14

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A couple of questions. How big were the tournament you won? Obviously it’s easier to win at a STT or a small MTT with 100 people versus some freerolls that have 10,000+ players. Also, 20 tournaments is a very small sample size and it would be difficult to extrapolate that to see if that continued over 1000+ tournaments.

I would advise continuing to play freerolls and micro tournaments until you have a few hundred at least to see if you can continue to do well. MTTs have a high variance so you need a much larger sample size before jumping up to $20 tournaments.
 
akmost

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Moving to higher states and be a profitable player in the long term means that you will fight against variance and apparently against way stronger opponents , even the best MMTers have a %ITM 15%-18%.

That means that you need to have a bankroll which is able to ''absorb'' the rest of the not ITM situations.Your sample is literally tiny to tell you if you are a good player plus I think I haven't played against you to have my personal opinion.

You are enthusiastic about your sort term results which is not good but on the other hand this attribute may lead you to the higher levels sooner than later.

Just question yourself about poker some very basic things.Am I a winning player at he micros? Am I a balanced player?Do my opponents often exploit me?

If you feel that your mindset and your poker abilities are already ready for higher stakes and you have a fat bankroll then let's roll ;)

ps. I don't have opinion in cash games but I feel that if you have a good grasp in cash games then you will have advantage over the vast majority of MMTers IMHO.
 
kowrip

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In my opinion, there is a HUGE difference in play between free/low buy-in tournaments and higher buy-in tournaments. In the free/low buy-in one, a lot of players don't take it very seriously and this results in some really wild play. I prefer to play in tournaments that have $200 - $500 buy-ins. These play a lot different. There is much less wild play in the early stages because nobody wants to throw away a few hundred dollars.
 
akmost

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In my opinion, there is a HUGE difference in play between free/low buy-in tournaments and higher buy-in tournaments. In the free/low buy-in one, a lot of players don't take it very seriously and this results in some really wild play. I prefer to play in tournaments that have $200 - $500 buy-ins. These play a lot different. There is much less wild play in the early stages because nobody wants to throw away a few hundred dollars.

It's not only that, in freerolls / micros and even in mid stakes you will see no respect in your 3bet not respect in your blocker bet. Punters everywhere, the vast majority are flip lovers and flop haters.Since you have the roll to participate in those buy ins good for you.In those limits are really come to play the hours you have dedicated to improve your skill by studying! :)
 
Luvepoker

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Your sample size is way to small. I recently played 4 events where I finished 1st twice, 2nd and 3rd in smaller tournaments. I then went 30 tournaments in a row without a cash. So was I that good or that bad or just variance. This being said am I a good tournament player? Id like to think I am decent but who knows. I have done OK in tournament play.

The difference in stakes does vary. Free rolls early on can be a bit of a joke with the crazy play but as the stakes go up so does the players skill and once you hit the $10.00 range the skills are nothing in comparison to the free games.

As for tournament vs cash play there is a big difference even thought its the same game. I only started to play cash seriously in the recent year and it has been a struggle to adjust at times but I am getting there.

I hope you don't mind but Id like to give you some advise. Free roll can be used and are great to start a bankroll. I have done it on a few sites successfully. The problem is the game does not play realistically until later in the tournament. If you want to improve your game you will need to move up stakes. While it may not seem odd, once people put money "even a $0.50 tournament" into a game there less likely to play 72o for a raise and all in shove on the 1st hand. If you can you may want to make a small deposit just to get started. Do use smart bankroll management and you may find yourself improving much faster that playing the free roll. If you cant do a deposit, don't use your winnings in a cash game hoping to get your roll going. Use it to play the tournament you want and use that money to grow your bankroll.

Best of luck to you.
 
iwont20

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At higher stakes you will definitely feel a difference, the players are more thoughtful and you most likely won't be a able to get away unpunished from hands were you made a wrong play, while that's not the case in freerolls /microstakes. Honestly, I believe it depends on the room you play, some rooms have fishier / more loose fields, whereas in other rooms tournaments with 5$ buy-in are filled with regs.

And btw you have to take into consideration the fact that winning a few tournaments in a row doesn't necessarily mean you're beating these limits and you're too good for them, it may mean you're running hot combined with rather weak opposition.

I would just stay at the limits you're playing now and build a bankroll there, which should not be that hard if you're for real beating these games, and only after having a BR I would take a shot at higher limits.
 
Destruct51

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Tournament is my game, lately been getting slammed in huge positions. I have made 8 final tables in the last week, but only made top 3 twice in micros. Bigger buy ins I got slammed by rivers. Was rough but still in the game!! ACR has its moments, but seeing so many hands who really knows. I would suspect the programs have to be slightly house favored. They are truly casino minded, so I don't put it past them to rake a certain percentage to house players or bots. just got to earn your scars aka points to hang, lol.
 
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williamsc99

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to be considered a good tournament player you have to have thousands of tournaments played, 20 do not even bother to do it. It is in the sampling that you will know if it is profitable or not. Play at least 1000 tournaments and then you can try to do a session review of your mistakes and correct answers
 
Jayplay916

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A couple of questions. How big were the tournament you won? Obviously it’s easier to win at a STT or a small MTT with 100 people versus some freerolls that have 10,000+ players. Also, 20 tournaments is a very small sample size and it would be difficult to extrapolate that to see if that continued over 1000+ tournaments.

I would advise continuing to play freerolls and micro tournaments until you have a few hundred at least to see if you can continue to do well. MTTs have a high variance so you need a much larger sample size before jumping up to $20 tournaments.
Thanks for the reply you touched on some variables i did not think about. i won a hundred player tournament and a couple PLO8 80 player tourneys. Ill play a hundre tourney starting today and keep records and repost. ty
 
jappchop

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I wouldnt say i good or great im still leaurning slowly but i am playing more cash tournys and i probly cash 5-15 tournys not big cashes but still cashies lol
 
Jayplay916

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Moving to higher states and be a profitable player in the long term means that you will fight against variance and apparently against way stronger opponents , even the best MMTers have a %ITM 15%-18%.

That means that you need to have a bankroll which is able to ''absorb'' the rest of the not ITM situations.Your sample is literally tiny to tell you if you are a good player plus I think I haven't played against you to have my personal opinion.

You are enthusiastic about your sort term results which is not good but on the other hand this attribute may lead you to the higher levels sooner than later.

Just question yourself about poker some very basic things.Am I a winning player at he micros? Am I a balanced player?Do my opponents often exploit me?

If you feel that your mindset and your poker abilities are already ready for higher stakes and you have a fat bankroll then let's roll ;)

ps. I don't have opinion in cash games but I feel that if you have a good grasp in cash games then you will have advantage over the vast majority of MMTers IMHO.
Ok so great response alot of things were brought up that i did not think about. I really taje poker seriously and feel i could profit only i have not learned how to manage the money and sometimes think i play to much and if i bust out early i immediately go to another. This is what im actualky researching is good money management. Realky great feedback
 
Bozovicdj

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I have no bankroll at all. Ive won 4, placed within top 9 of 10, and placeed ITM 13 of 20 tournament from freerolls to micro-limit tournament as of late only to take the little amount of money I won to a cash game only to loose it on all in from a player who calls my usual 3 or 4 bet preflop raise with a pair of threes and I flop top pair top kicker. Naturally Im all in because Im short stacked trying to double and a 3 hits the river. Question using the tournament info above how well would you predict I would do at higher stakes lets say 20+2 buy-in tourneys? Also is the competition really tougher with higher buy-ins? Is winning higher stakes tournament harder or can they actually be easier? I feel like my last 20 tournament Ive done almost should I say exceptionately well and know if those 3 wins I had were for bigger buy-ins I could of easily cashed out in the thousand range. Do you think I should stay away from cash games. Ive been focusing on learning MTT tournaments maybe have forgot how to play cash game style. My main Question is do you think that my tournament wins 3 of 20 and my cash places is good whats your opinon


There is a difference in tournaments based on the buy-in, however it is insignificant within a certain range of buy-ins. For example, all micro MTTs are pretty much the same, but with higher buy-ins, people tend to play more solid or abc poker. Also, certain types of MTTs are almost the same regardless the buy-in like bounty builders and KO tournaments.
Your placements thus far are very good, however the sample size is way to small to give a definitive answer.
Good MTT players are having somewhere around 20% cashes (they are ITM in 1 out of 5/6 tournaments) while a great ROI is considered to be 30-40% (highest online ranking pro has 36%).
You are cashing in 65% of the tournaments which is extremely high and we need to take into consideration that luck can be a huge part of it.
As far as going to higher buy-in MTTs, I would try it, and decide after a few tournaments whether I am able to beat it or not. If you are afraid of wasting money, try some satelites, and earn tickets for higher buy-in tournaments through them.
 
jmateuspoker

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TOURNMENTS or CASH GAMES

you need to decide what you most like to play

If you want to play cash games need to play and study their strategies and the same goes for tournaments

The sample is small so you can not know if you play good or bad tournaments or cash you need is to play more and give with a larger sample of at least 100 games you will have condition to see his greatest skill

But the first step is to play what he likes

:jd4:mateuspoker
 
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seanbee01

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Love me some progressive KO's from around the £5-11 buy in mark, i used to do long poker grind's and enjoy it, bit of music bit of twitch streams and i was in my element, Patience is a virtue and playing stakes and games your happy/comfortable with is very important.
 
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