Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.

If you can't beat hyper turbo it's better not to play them.I think no one can beat them,well, someone can lead one time in 1000)For me personally, this is bingo, the format is fun but not profitable

Originally Posted by MAGICUZ

If you can't beat hyper turbo it's better not to play them.I think no one can beat them,well, someone can lead one time in 1000)For me personally, this is bingo, the format is fun but not profitable

I suspected as much but was in hope someone out there might have some knowledge we dont hahaha

Tight aggressive may be OK for early stages of hypers but once the average stack gets to about 15 blinds you need to switch it up and become loose

Originally Posted by eagleaces

Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.

Good evening!
I think you are absolutely right: the format is so varied that it takes a lot of luck to win a hyper-turbo tournament.
But if you say that you play well enough and otherwise everything works out for you, then just keep going and someday you will be lucky too!
Good luck at the tables!

I have already won some hyper tournaments (5-6) with few players (between 100-400) but the variance is very high. I prefer to play tournaments in which I feel more comfortable to make better decisions.

Originally Posted by eagleaces

Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.

I’ve placed in the money in a few hypers, including one final table.

Hypers require a lot more “luck” due to the push / fold nature of late stages.

The only solid advise - memorize Nash charts.
You should have a really good idea of what ranges are good to call/shove with at all blind & position levels.

GTO theory goes a long way in these types of tourneys.

Originally Posted by eagleaces

Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.

Hello. For me, hyperturbo is bingo. Only once hit the prizes out of about 50 attempts. I decided not to waste any more time on this.

You don't give much information what format you play. I only play micro full ring hypers, I think, the rest is waste of time, as 8 and 6 max total gambling for me.

On full ring micro hypers, I am doing okay. There are 2 significant fault what I recognized, players don't know what they play so they are either too tight or loose, that's why I like it, +the plenty hobbist there, because it is fast. there are plenty more main faults, leakings, how they play there, even I have some too, but less than the average, that's enough being profitable there.

By the way, I agree with the above comment, if it is not for me because of any reason just leave...

Originally Posted by toots babos

Tight aggressive may be OK for early stages of hypers but once the average stack gets to about 15 blinds you need to switch it up and become loose

Sounds backwards? But your probably right. I rarely play them, the luck factor is too influential in the outcome of the entire event.

You play well, so the winnings should come. If not now, then later you will definitely win this tournament.

Originally Posted by toots babos

Tight aggressive may be OK for early stages of hypers but once the average stack gets to about 15 blinds you need to switch it up and become loose

I agree with this, particularly in hypers where the ante is a larger percent of the big blind than normal. Shoving ranges (and calling ranges) are often very wide. Doing well requires playing aggressively and keeping up a good stack instead of getting blinded down.

Also like others have said, the variance is high and it's easy to have a bad run over a smallish sample of games. Focus on playing well and the results will come in time

I cant help wondering, why you even want to play hyper turbos in the first place? Skill edges are reduced in very fast structures, so the ROI is inherently capped, and you cant do some of the things, which apparently work well for you in other games. Like playing tight and finding weaknesses in your opponents postflop strategies. Just because certain games exist, does not mean, we need to play them. On the countrary a big part of playing poker for profit is good game selection.

All I can give you is you have to shove with not only premium hands but a little above average hands like J10,Q10, J9, Q9 etc. Its your only chance to survive these blind structures.

I would advise you to practice in the SnGWizard simulator, I learned it myself ...

There is no advice here, hyperturbo tournaments are a game of bingo, it all depends on luck, if the card comes in, catch your outs on the board and then win, and nothing comes in then lose, hyperturbo tournaments are not a game of skill, it's a game of luck, everything is simple )).

Originally Posted by eagleaces

Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.

I have never played such formats ( I think it's just a lottery)! And I can't understand your desire - after all, the main thing in poker is to earn money, and not to go through all its formats?

I prefer a normal level of play, slow is not for me, you can fall asleep on it and thoughts are lost, but in a fast one there is little time to think

Originally Posted by fundiver199

I cant help wondering, why you even want to play hyper turbos in the first place? Skill edges are reduced in very fast structures, so the ROI is inherently capped, and you cant do some of the things, which apparently work well for you in other games. Like playing tight and finding weaknesses in your opponents postflop strategies. Just because certain games exist, does not mean, we need to play them. On the countrary a big part of playing poker for profit is good game selection.

This is very true, hyper turbos require an acceptance of pretty extreme variance. I’ve played a lot of hypers in my day, but that’s only with the acceptance of this fact. It also takes a healthy understanding of what the variance should look like.

Practically thinking, like Collin alluded to earlier, I have found that many hyper turbo mtts have an extremely high ante. I make sure to accurately adjust for it by using the *.66 method (Harrington’s M is also great) but those not adjusting for the ante enough can wind up believing their playing loose when in actuality are playing too tight once the ante is accounted for. Everyone thinks they adjust well to the ante but in my experience few actually do

The problem with hyper tournaments is that the blinds are very aggressive and rise very quickly, which means you have to make decisions that you have to make faster than usual and sometimes you have to play hands that you don't want to play, you have little room for maneuver and it is also a question of how aggressively you play with Hyper Turbo

Originally Posted by eagleaces

Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.

Turbo tournaments are clearly not for tight ones, play regular MTTs and you will be happy.)

I wouldn't be worried that you can't cash in a hyper, they are higher variance and require a larger sample or running like god to always be on top. Look to gamble more and not rely on cards, you have to play poker and not just cards. If you rely on cards you'll either blind out or be so low in chips you're always getting called when jamming and have no fold equity. Just put in more volume and study your past games to see what you could have done different. Good luck.

IMO high variance games like hyper turbo should be played mostly for fun as it's tough to beat them and for sure requires more studying than other formats... also, something I didn't notice in previous posts, in this high variance format you need a really good mental poker game(for improving tilt control, confidence, motivation...)

GLGL all at the tables BlessRNG

It's not bad to be a winner!It's always about you.Even if you learn how to play hyper turbo tournaments,you can't guarantee that you will become a professional player.Unfortunately, I can't give you any advice-I don't play such a structure.Anything that's fast is dangerous.

The hyper turbo I see them to pass the time if you have a good bankroll, because I do not see many benefits in earnings, I think you can try a passive aggressive fusion, that is, if you hit with good hands and get a good position in chips, let some hands and push when you got something good

1. Get used to playing with few chips Are you uncomfortable playing with a few chips? Even being in the tournament average and seeing that everyone is also short? So, if you want to play turbo and hyper-turbo tournaments, you need to review your concepts of how to work your stack. To play fast tournaments, it is mandatory to learn to work with few blinds. You can't be uncomfortable because our life playing this type of tournament is a short stack. Most of the time you will have between 5 and 15 big blinds. So get used to that reality. 2. Don't wait for good hands What is the concept of these fast tournaments? Since the blinds go up so fast, we're going to play fewer hands, right? And since we are going to play fewer hands, the risk increases a lot, because you can't choose the most favorable opportunity. There is simply no time to wait for the best hand. If you wait too long, the structure eats your stack. The famous blinded out. This is normal in these tournaments. If you can't see the opportunities to steal chips, it becomes very difficult. Often, the spot where you have a small 60/40 favoritism is the best spot you will have time to find. So embrace the risk! That is why these tournaments have such a wide variance. It is important to get used to it. I'll talk about this part later ...
3. Position and stack. Position and stack. Position and stack! If there is no time to wait for a card, how to play? This has to be at the head of your bed: this game is by position and stack. It doesn't matter our hand. If a good hand comes, it is obvious that we will enjoy it. But as there is no time, we have to take more risks. How to reduce this risk of playing more hands? Gathering information about our opponents. It is important to identify all opponents to get a sense of the group of hands they are playing. Thus, it is easier to anticipate what they will do, according to their position and stack at any given time. With training, you will be able to predict the actions you can take before your opponents even act. "If no one opens, I know that guy is going all in with just about anything to steal the blinds." Things like that will be automatic in your head. 4. Steal blinds even with disgusting hands I often say that in turbo tournaments you have to work your stack “at your fingertips”. Because in a tournament like this, when you level up, you can drop from 7/8 bb to 4/5 bb and get super tight. Therefore, each blind stolen is decisive. You need to steal blinds at every opportunity, including holding disgusting hands. But when to steal the blinds with a hideous hand? You will do this whenever your raise does not commit you to a short stack at the table. Example: Let's say I decide to steal with 5-2off and raise 200 in the 50/100 blind. However, there is still a guy with 400 tokens to talk to. If he moves all in, I'm mathematically obliged to call and show everyone at the table that I'm stealing blinds with a disgusting 5-2off. Therefore, you will steal whenever you can just let go of your hand if the opponent goes all in. For me, this is the Holy Grail of the quick tournament: we are not going to raise, commit to the pot and show disgust. This is playing at your fingertips. If you come all in, easy fold. Steal by stacks, without compromising on short. The goal is not to show that you steal rubbish with your hands.

Originally Posted by spectralwave

1. Get used to playing with few chips. Are you uncomfortable playing with a few chips? Even being in the tournament average and seeing that everyone is also short?

So, if you want to play turbo and hyper-turbo tournaments, you need to review your concepts of how to work your stack. To play fast tournaments, it is mandatory to learn to work with few blinds.

You can't be uncomfortable because our life playing this type of tournament is a short stack. Most of the time you will have between 5 and 15 big blinds. So get used to that reality.

2. Don't wait for good hands. What is the concept of these fast tournaments? Since the blinds go up so fast, we're going to play fewer hands, right? And since we are going to play fewer hands, the risk increases a lot, because you can't choose the most favorable opportunity.

There is simply no time to wait for the best hand. If you wait too long, the structure eats your stack. The famous blinded out. This is normal in these tournaments. If you can't see the opportunities to steal chips, it becomes very difficult. Often, the spot where you have a small 60/40 favoritism is the best spot you will have time to find. So embrace the risk! That is why these tournaments have such a wide variance. It is important to get used to it. I'll talk about this part later ...

3. Position and stack. Position and stack. Position and stack! If there is no time to wait for a card, how to play? This has to be at the head of your bed: this game is by position and stack. It doesn't matter our hand. If a good hand comes, it is obvious that we will enjoy it. But as there is no time, we have to take more risks.

How to reduce this risk of playing more hands? Gathering information about our opponents. It is important to identify all opponents to get a sense of the group of hands they are playing. Thus, it is easier to anticipate what they will do, according to their position and stack at any given time.

With training, you will be able to predict the actions you can take before your opponents even act. "If no one opens, I know that guy is going all in with just about anything to steal the blinds." Things like that will be automatic in your head.

4. Steal blinds even with disgusting hands I often say that in turbo tournaments you have to work your stack “at your fingertips”. Because in a tournament like this, when you level up, you can drop from 7/8 bb to 4/5 bb and get super tight. Therefore, each blind stolen is decisive. You need to steal blinds at every opportunity, including holding disgusting hands. But when to steal the blinds with a hideous hand? You will do this whenever your raise does not commit you to a short stack at the table.

Example: Let's say I decide to steal with 5-2off and raise 200 in the 50/100 blind. However, there is still a guy with 400 tokens to talk to. If he moves all in, I'm mathematically obliged to call and show everyone at the table that I'm stealing blinds with a disgusting 5-2off. Therefore, you will steal whenever you can just let go of your hand if the opponent goes all in.

For me, this is the Holy Grail of the quick tournament: we are not going to raise, commit to the pot and show disgust. This is playing at your fingertips. If you come all in, easy fold. Steal by stacks, without compromising on short. The goal is not to show that you steal rubbish with your hands.

Nice Post but much easier to read with a bit of white space added.

Originally Posted by Katie Dozier

This is very true, hyper turbos require an acceptance of pretty extreme variance. I’ve played a lot of hypers in my day, but that’s only with the acceptance of this fact. It also takes a healthy understanding of what the variance should look like.

Practically thinking, like Collin alluded to earlier, I have found that many hyper turbo mtts have an extremely high ante. I make sure to accurately adjust for it by using the *.66 method (Harrington’s M is also great) but those not adjusting for the ante enough can wind up believing their playing loose when in actuality are playing too tight once the ante is accounted for. Everyone thinks they adjust well to the ante but in my experience few actually do

Katie, great post.

I made this exact observation from my "Hyper Days" and found it benefit my MTT game (specifically late game/final table).


Whenever we have a majority oblivious to the most important dynamic of a tournament, we have a profitable situation.

I've started to liken hyper MTTs more as of late purely due to it not taking too long to go through a whole tournament if you're lucky to make it to a FT. Sure it definitely requires a change in mindset and strategy because of the quickly rising blinds, but I've recognized the higher variance as part of the appeal, excitement, and fun of making it through a fast-paced tournament. Definitely not for everyone but to those who enjoy hyper, often times they REALLY like them.

Originally Posted by vittopio

I have never played such formats ( I think it's just a lottery)! And I can't understand your desire - after all, the main thing in poker is to earn money, and not to go through all its formats?

I wasnt out looking to take down all the formats. I was just wondering if there was a player out there who knew something about the Hyper turbo Game and a strategy to maximize profit. I think its just a gamble too but some at the higher buy ins 50$ up are very promising money wise, Especially when they are GTD money.

Originally Posted by Adi8877

You don't give much information what format you play. I only play micro full ring hypers, I think, the rest is waste of time, as 8 and 6 max total gambling for me.

On full ring micro hypers, I am doing okay. There are 2 significant fault what I recognized, players don't know what they play so they are either too tight or loose, that's why I like it, +the plenty hobbist there, because it is fast. there are plenty more main faults, leakings, how they play there, even I have some too, but less than the average, that's enough being profitable there.

By the way, I agree with the above comment, if it is not for me because of any reason just leave...

I play them all from micro to mid but i been practicing with the 6$ buy ins. My real question although i wasnt altogether specifc was Hyper turbos that are 50$ and higher. THe GTD MTT which have very high returns and less players. Lot harder to Cash in those due to other players knowing something more maybe they know the push shove way better than I.

I think that in the hyper you have to play tighter and look for a good pot with good cards, one doubled or more to stay with good chips while the blinds move, they are very volatile tournaments, many all in, you have to use a lot of patience

For hypers, MTT, especially freerolls or micro, it feels like mostly luck initially as you'll have to quickly gamble and build up your chips otherwise the blinds will come really quickly. No time to play tight

I don't think you can win in hyper-turbo by playing tight. Only aggression and luck. Luck and aggression are the keys to success.

hard to beat hyper tubo's, if you are winning in turbo then just stick to it

Originally Posted by Katie Dozier

Practically thinking, like Collin alluded to earlier, I have found that many hyper turbo mtts have an extremely high ante. I make sure to accurately adjust for it by using the *.66 method (Harrington’s M is also great) but those not adjusting for the ante enough can wind up believing their playing loose when in actuality are playing too tight once the ante is accounted for. Everyone thinks they adjust well to the ante but in my experience few actually do

That is a good point. Using PokerStars as an example, when blinds are 100/50 in a regular speed MTT, the ante is 12. But with 100/50 blinds in a hyper, the ante is 20, and this obviously makes a big difference. If you are not pushing wide enough or calling wide enough with such a big ante, you will get blinded away in no time, unless you get lucky and pick up some premium hands.

Returning to my point about game selection, I forgot to mention, what is perhaps the real elefant in the room: Rake. Maybe its fine, that the ROI is lower and variance higher in a format like hyper turbos, if there was no rake. Then we would win less per tournament, but if we can accept to have a slightly higher bankroll to absorb the swings, it would be compensated by higher volume.

However this is not the way, it actually works. Poker sites charge rake, and while hyper turbos are sometimes raked less, we still end up paying much more rake per hand, we get dealt. Using PokerStars as an example again, a regular speed 3,3$ is raked 36c. A 3,3$ hyper is only raked 28c, but we realistically get less than half as many hands, before we bust or have won the tournament. So we end up paying much more rake per hand in hyper turbos, and this can easily turn a small winning player into a losing player.

I have not played a lot of hyper turbo MTTs on PokerStars or elsewhere. But I have played enough 45-180 man Sngs to conclude, that my winrate is certainly significantly lower and maybe even negative in the turbos. And then why continue to play these, if it basically just generate a lot of rake for PokerStars.

Not saying this apply to OP or anyone else in this thread. But there is a tendency in part of the poker community to think, you have to play turbo tournaments or Zoom poker to be a good poker player. The idea being, that the more you can grind, the more money you are going to make. But the only sure beneficiary of that behaviour is the poker sites, who literally rake in the profits from all those grinders

Originally Posted by fundiver199

That is a good point. Using PokerStars as an example, when blinds are 100/50 in a regular speed MTT, the ante is 12. But with 100/50 blinds in a hyper, the ante is 20, and this obviously makes a big difference. If you are not pushing wide enough or calling wide enough with such a big ante, you will get blinded away in no time, unless you get lucky and pick up some premium hands.

Returning to my point about game selection, I forgot to mention, what is perhaps the real elefant in the room: Rake. Maybe its fine, that the ROI is lower and variance higher in a format like hyper turbos, if there was no rake. Then we would win less per tournament, but if we can accept to have a slightly higher bankroll to absorb the swings, it would be compensated by higher volume.

However this is not the way, it actually works. Poker sites charge rake, and while hyper turbos are sometimes raked less, we still end up paying much more rake per hand, we get dealt. Using PokerStars as an example again, a regular speed 3,3$ is raked 36c. A 3,3$ hyper is only raked 28c, but we realistically get less than half as many hands, before we bust or have won the tournament. So we end up paying much more rake per hand in hyper turbos, and this can easily turn a small winning player into a losing player.

I have not played a lot of hyper turbo MTTs on PokerStars or elsewhere. But I have played enough 45-180 man Sngs to conclude, that my winrate is certainly significantly lower and maybe even negative in the turbos. And then why continue to play these, if it basically just generate a lot of rake for PokerStars.

Not saying this apply to OP or anyone else in this thread. But there is a tendency in part of the poker community to think, you have to play turbo tournaments or Zoom poker to be a good poker player. The idea being, that the more you can grind, the more money you are going to make. But the only sure beneficiary of that behaviour is the poker sites, who literally rake in the profits from all those grinders

Your last paragraph (conclusions) is what I've been trying to say for a while. I read a lot on CC about members ready to GRIND or GRIND it OUT. They set an ambitious monetary goal (and often arbitrary), and think the way to get there is by playing as many games as possible. Instead, I focus on game selection and paying attention to the 1-3 MTTs that I am playing. I avoid the grind mentality, allow the results to be whatever they are (let the $$ come to me) and most importantly I have fun PLAYING.

Play instead of Grind.

P.S. I'm doing quite well and having lots of fun.

Originally Posted by jordanbillie

Your last paragraph (conclusions) is what I've been trying to say for a while. I read a lot on CC about members ready to GRIND or GRIND it OUT. They set an ambitious monetary goal (and often arbitrary), and think the way to get there is by playing as many games as possible. Instead, I focus on game selection and paying attention to the 1-3 MTTs that I am playing. I avoid the grind mentality, allow the results to be whatever they are (let the $$ come to me) and most importantly I have fun PLAYING.

My point about sacrificing ROI or winrate for volume certainly also apply to excessive multitabling. Each person has their own capacity to mulitable, and it also depends, if we are tired and so on. But if we are not even sure, we beat a particular game format or limit, its always better to play less tables and try to play the best, we can