why cant i cash in a Hyper turbo?

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Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.
 
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If you can't beat hyper turbo it's better not to play them.I think no one can beat them,well, someone can lead one time in 1000)For me personally, this is bingo, the format is fun but not profitable
 
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i feel the same

If you can't beat hyper turbo it's better not to play them.I think no one can beat them,well, someone can lead one time in 1000)For me personally, this is bingo, the format is fun but not profitable




I suspected as much but was in hope someone out there might have some knowledge we dont hahaha
 
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Tight aggressive may be OK for early stages of hypers but once the average stack gets to about 15 blinds you need to switch it up and become loose
 
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Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.



Good evening!
I think you are absolutely right: the format is so varied that it takes a lot of luck to win a hyper-turbo tournament.
But if you say that you play well enough and otherwise everything works out for you, then just keep going and someday you will be lucky too!
Good luck at the tables!:D
 
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I have already won some hyper tournaments (5-6) with few players (between 100-400) but the variance is very high. I prefer to play tournaments in which I feel more comfortable to make better decisions.
 
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Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.


I’ve placed in the money in a few hypers, including one final table.

Hypers require a lot more “luck” due to the push / fold nature of late stages.

The only solid advise - memorize Nash charts.
You should have a really good idea of what ranges are good to call/shove with at all blind & position levels.

GTO theory goes a long way in these types of tourneys.
 
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Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.


Hello. For me, hyperturbo is bingo. Only once hit the prizes out of about 50 attempts. I decided not to waste any more time on this.:(
 
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You don't give much information what format you play. I only play micro full ring hypers, I think, the rest is waste of time, as 8 and 6 max total gambling for me.

On full ring micro hypers, I am doing okay. There are 2 significant fault what I recognized, players don't know what they play so they are either too tight or loose, that's why I like it, +the plenty hobbist there, because it is fast. there are plenty more main faults, leakings, how they play there, even I have some too, but less than the average, that's enough being profitable there.

By the way, I agree with the above comment, if it is not for me because of any reason just leave...
 
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Tight aggressive may be OK for early stages of hypers but once the average stack gets to about 15 blinds you need to switch it up and become loose

Sounds backwards? But your probably right. I rarely play them, the luck factor is too influential in the outcome of the entire event.
 
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You play well, so the winnings should come. If not now, then later you will definitely win this tournament.
 
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Tight aggressive may be OK for early stages of hypers but once the average stack gets to about 15 blinds you need to switch it up and become loose

I agree with this, particularly in hypers where the ante is a larger percent of the big blind than normal. Shoving ranges (and calling ranges) are often very wide. Doing well requires playing aggressively and keeping up a good stack instead of getting blinded down.

Also like others have said, the variance is high and it's easy to have a bad run over a smallish sample of games. Focus on playing well and the results will come in time :)
 
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I cant help wondering, why you even want to play hyper turbos in the first place? Skill edges are reduced in very fast structures, so the ROI is inherently capped, and you cant do some of the things, which apparently work well for you in other games. Like playing tight and finding weaknesses in your opponents postflop strategies. Just because certain games exist, does not mean, we need to play them. On the countrary a big part of playing poker for profit is good game selection.
 
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All I can give you is you have to shove with not only premium hands but a little above average hands like J10,Q10, J9, Q9 etc. Its your only chance to survive these blind structures.
 
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I would advise you to practice in the SnGWizard simulator, I learned it myself ...
 
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There is no advice here, hyperturbo tournaments are a game of bingo, it all depends on luck, if the card comes in, catch your outs on the board and then win, and nothing comes in then lose, hyperturbo tournaments are not a game of skill, it's a game of luck, everything is simple )).
 
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Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.
I have never played such formats ( I think it's just a lottery)! And I can't understand your desire - after all, the main thing in poker is to earn money, and not to go through all its formats?
 
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I prefer a normal level of play, slow is not for me, you can fall asleep on it and thoughts are lost, but in a fast one there is little time to think
 
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I cant help wondering, why you even want to play hyper turbos in the first place? Skill edges are reduced in very fast structures, so the ROI is inherently capped, and you cant do some of the things, which apparently work well for you in other games. Like playing tight and finding weaknesses in your opponents postflop strategies. Just because certain games exist, does not mean, we need to play them. On the countrary a big part of playing poker for profit is good game selection.


This is very true, hyper turbos require an acceptance of pretty extreme variance. I’ve played a lot of hypers in my day, but that’s only with the acceptance of this fact. It also takes a healthy understanding of what the variance should look like.

Practically thinking, like Collin alluded to earlier, I have found that many hyper turbo mtts have an extremely high ante. I make sure to accurately adjust for it by using the *.66 method (Harrington’s M is also great) but those not adjusting for the ante enough can wind up believing their playing loose when in actuality are playing too tight once the ante is accounted for. Everyone thinks they adjust well to the ante but in my experience few actually do :)
 
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The problem with hyper tournaments is that the blinds are very aggressive and rise very quickly, which means you have to make decisions that you have to make faster than usual and sometimes you have to play hands that you don't want to play, you have little room for maneuver and it is also a question of how aggressively you play with Hyper Turbo
 
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Hello Rounders and Rec'ers I have won every format of MTT but the elusive Hyper Turbo. Of course i analyze but not really spending money on it. Ok my point is i can beat turbos and regulars all day but something about the Hyper Turbo i just cant crack. I am aware i am forced to shove because i find myself in the 5 to 15 bb range and i adjust my range as best as my mind can, still Not many cashes. When i get a big win i set aside some of it to focus on this. I HOPE SOMEONE HAS SOME ADVICE. My style is tight aggressive mostly and i also do a lotta exploitative plays. Im a Long time Half way amatuer half pro. So any advice will do. My thought so far is that the variance is so high youd just have to be Lucky to win one. But somehow i believe it can be beat and the higher up pros dont give out free tips lol so its up to the cards chat community.
Turbo tournaments are clearly not for tight ones, play regular MTTs and you will be happy.)
 
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I wouldn't be worried that you can't cash in a hyper, they are higher variance and require a larger sample or running like god to always be on top. Look to gamble more and not rely on cards, you have to play poker and not just cards. If you rely on cards you'll either blind out or be so low in chips you're always getting called when jamming and have no fold equity. Just put in more volume and study your past games to see what you could have done different. Good luck.
 
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IMO high variance games like hyper turbo should be played mostly for fun as it's tough to beat them and for sure requires more studying than other formats... also, something I didn't notice in previous posts, in this high variance format you need a really good mental poker game(for improving tilt control, confidence, motivation...)

GLGL all at the tables BlessRNG
 
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It's not bad to be a winner!It's always about you.Even if you learn how to play hyper turbo tournaments,you can't guarantee that you will become a professional player.Unfortunately, I can't give you any advice-I don't play such a structure.Anything that's fast is dangerous.
 
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The hyper turbo I see them to pass the time if you have a good bankroll, because I do not see many benefits in earnings, I think you can try a passive aggressive fusion, that is, if you hit with good hands and get a good position in chips, let some hands and push when you got something good
 
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