Whats the go with people limping in early position with premiums?

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Lately I've been finding in MTT's that people seem to Limp from early positions with premiums. I can see that they don't want to scare anyone off but if everyone folds and BB checks and hits a monster with a horrible hand than it'll be hard to get away from your AA or whatever. Recently in a MTT someone limped UTG, folded to me and I shoved with KQo with 9bb remaining. He showed AQs, isn't this move just losing in the long run for them?
 
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These are the guys you see in the the Bad Beat threads, crying that their Bullets got busted. I don't see any advantage to doing this unless you want six or seven people to call. Plus they're calling with hands that you have no idea what they have. No, I'm raising preflop whether I have a premium hand or not.
 
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Not the best game to marriage. It was better to look at the flop, since according to the poker calculator Ace + any card is stronger than you.
 
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Lately I've been finding in MTT's that people seem to Limp from early positions with premiums. I can see that they don't want to scare anyone off but if everyone folds and BB checks and hits a monster with a horrible hand than it'll be hard to get away from your AA or whatever. Recently in a MTT someone limped UTG, folded to me and I shoved with KQo with 9bb remaining. He showed AQs, isn't this move just losing in the long run for them?

The UTG limp/re-raise frustates me a lot. Its mostly the week passive players that fear getting out drawn. When its done with AK/AQ they fold out hands they crush while at the same time inviting hands that that crush them. AA/KK they only win a small pot unless someone can't get away from hands like AJ, KQ and JQ preflop.
To most players though this move is totally face up.
Calling the limp on the BTN and C/O with suited connecters, 1gappers and small pocket pairs keeping the implied odds high seems work best when I suspect this move. Also checking the BB also works great unless holding KK+ then I intend to play for stacks preflop.
 
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I thought I started this thread already. Maybe it is one of the mysterious ones that went "missing."

I have a lot of tricks up my sleeve, and back in my super-aggro days I could take credit for at least some of it on my own. But most everything that can be done has been done, so if you pay any attention to the world of poker, there is plenty to be seen.

That being said, I truly believe that I incorporated this little wrinkle into my game BEFORE seeing anyone of note doing it. I saw it ONCE at a 1/2 or 2/5 live cash table, but that hardly counts.

My ABSOLUTE favorite is limping UTG with AA. Most of you who have already commented here are smart enough to see through this nonsense. But you'd be surprised how to this day people (including nits/regs) misread this for WEAKNESS. Just today had a guy 3bet, I felt he was strong or I'd get "unlucky" and take it down there cuz I went big on the limp/reraise. He comes over the top all in and obviously I snap call. His 77 on the button did not improve. Um, thanks for the chips?

I will NEVER EVER EVER come on complaining about getting cracked if I try this and it is never bet preflop. I have gotten away from super coordinated boards and even spots that are only tricky because I got no information preflop. It really only works as a trick, although plenty of hands can be won for small pots on the flop with it too. Also, only ONCE did this happen so far that it was never opened preflop and I TID with quads. The guy had a legitiamate hand, he had a full house, but it was awesome.
 
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from UTG I prefer to put something between 2.5 - 4 big blind depending on activity on the table so as not to run to the Bank an extra set of hands at the same time not to give opponents to fold average hands in the likeness of 99 and KJ
 
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I prefer this in late stage of MTTs, where limping in early position will usually result in a raise. With annoying hands like JJ I can re-raise heavy and take the pot down pre flop - any heavy resistance can call or fold depending on stack size.

If you're lucky with KK or AA players in front of you will 3 and 4 bet each other, then you can shove over the top. This wouldn't happen if you put in a strong raise initially
 
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I prefer this in late stage of MTTs, where limping in early position will usually result in a raise. With annoying hands like JJ I can re-raise heavy and take the pot down pre flop - any heavy resistance can call or fold depending on stack size.

If you're lucky with KK or AA players in front of you will 3 and 4 bet each other, then you can shove over the top. This wouldn't happen if you put in a strong raise initially

Excellent first post. Spot on.
 
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Lately I've been finding in MTT's that people seem to Limp from early positions with premiums. I can see that they don't want to scare anyone off but if everyone folds and BB checks and hits a monster with a horrible hand than it'll be hard to get away from your AA or whatever. Recently in a MTT someone limped UTG, folded to me and I shoved with KQo with 9bb remaining. He showed AQs, isn't this move just losing in the long run for them?

ace queen suited is a premium hand?? that is first with this post I dislike.

If you do not mix up your game people can read you. You do get that right? Raising every time you get premium hands will get read long term if you do it every time. So if understand fully he showed his fold? So your raise worked im not sure how this is a losing move long term or what your asking? He didnt feel he had a great hand and let it go. But your initial complaint is people whom limp in position with premiums.

I will tell you a lot of people play the same way here elsewhere in rooms and on tournaments that i get really solid reads on cause they play from the book so to speak.

Well maybe worry on writing your own book a bit and see how that works out:)

If everyone played same way style it wouldnt be a gamble :) or poker
 
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I myself am one of those people. When I sit down to play, I need some time to adapt to the tournament. I look narrowly at the beginning of the tournament the other opponents play. Who among them limp or an aggressor who is bluffing or fish. Never in a hurry at the beginning of the tournament agresivno play. You can get to limp with a premium card and fly out quickly.
 
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Long run for sure. As the story goes.....I limped aces to trap and ended up in a five way pot. My aces turned out to be the third best hand by the river.
 
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Long run for sure. As the story goes.....I limped aces to trap and ended up in a five way pot. My aces turned out to be the third best hand by the river.

Yeah it only works (for the most part) when you get agression behind you. So you have to know your table well enough to know you'll get at least a min raise. Although I have won a couple that seemed to be based on the strength of my hand. They went crazy on the flop of 10 high rainbow no real draws and i called down to see they had 10j. Easy money.
 
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ace queen suited is a premium hand?? that is first with this post I dislike.

If you do not mix up your game people can read you. You do get that right? Raising every time you get premium hands will get read long term if you do it every time. So if understand fully he showed his fold? So your raise worked im not sure how this is a losing move long term or what your asking? He didnt feel he had a great hand and let it go. But your initial complaint is people whom limp in position with premiums.

I will tell you a lot of people play the same way here elsewhere in rooms and on tournaments that i get really solid reads on cause they play from the book so to speak.

Well maybe worry on writing your own book a bit and see how that works out:)

If everyone played same way style it wouldnt be a gamble :) or poker

How is AQs not a premium? I don't get what you mean by saying it's not a premium hand?
 
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I do not think that such a move is an indication that in the long term, these players will be in the red because often you do not know what their hand .
 
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Limping is a great play, because the game is so loose nowadays that there will be action behind you. If you do limp and it goes 5 ways to the flop, then you can muck your Aces on the flop.
 
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Limping premium QQ/KK/AA are flawed against set miners that had even smallest pair that eventually hit set on the flop.By then the trap are set opposite way.Always raise the minimum 3 bb pre,unless the table dynamic are so loose and predictable.
 
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Limping premium QQ/KK/AA are flawed against set miners that had even smallest pair that eventually hit set on the flop.By then the trap are set opposite way.Always raise the minimum 3 bb pre,unless the table dynamic are so loose and predictable.

A small pocket pair will always call 3bb pre, because of the potential to double up when they hit their set. They are getting incorrect pot odds to call but huge implied odds. Only way to make small pocket pairs fold is to shove.
 
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Why would someone set themselves up to get involved with too many in the pot? I hate playing post flop with more than 2 players, ESPECIALLY OOP.
 
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