pescaofish
Academic Poker
Loyaler
What do you do about people raising and not letting you play?
I always Set a Trap for them, start complaining about it so they feel encourage and even stars.... and then wait for the Munster hand, start slowly until they bite and then... Got Them!
I always Set a Trap for them, start complaining about it so they feel encourage and even stars.... and then wait for the Munster hand, start slowly until they bite and then... Got Them!
darthdimsky
Legend
Silver Level
What do you do about people raising and not letting you play?
I always Set a Trap for them, start complaining about it so they feel encourage and even stars.... and then wait for the Munster hand, start slowly until they bite and then... Got Them!
I love the "fishing" analogy in this bit of advice!
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braveslice
Pull-ups!
Silver Level
+1
I love the "fishing" analogy in this bit of advice!
:star:
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FearlessPhil
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Most of these responses seem to imply that you should just wait for a really big hand. Unfortunately, these don't come along often enough to make this a successful strategy in most situations. In order to combat the raisers and reraisers, you have to be willing to attack them with some mediocre hands. If they are really raising that much, most of the hands they are raising with are going to be mediocre and they are going to fold them to a strong raise.
If you can't win some pots with mediocre hands, you are going to just bleed out waiting for that monster.
If you can't win some pots with mediocre hands, you are going to just bleed out waiting for that monster.
HennieP
Rock Star
Silver Level
Here's the thing. Some tournament players are scared of losing all their chips before making it to the money so they tend to shy away from getting all their chips in the middle. If you're playing a MTT you don't just want to make it to the money you want to make it to the top 3 because THAT is where the money is.
When you play tournaments don't be afraid to get your chips in the middle with good hands. Yes, you will sometimes be outgunned or run into some bad luck but in the long run it's a better strategy to accumulate a big chips stack that will see you all the way to the final table than to only start playing aggressive after you made it to the money.
This is why it is so important not to play tournaments with buy-ins that you can't afford to lose. If you play good, strong poker you will make money but you have to be willing to lose a few on the way. It's better to go out with a fight than be pushed around until you're blinded out.
When you play tournaments don't be afraid to get your chips in the middle with good hands. Yes, you will sometimes be outgunned or run into some bad luck but in the long run it's a better strategy to accumulate a big chips stack that will see you all the way to the final table than to only start playing aggressive after you made it to the money.
This is why it is so important not to play tournaments with buy-ins that you can't afford to lose. If you play good, strong poker you will make money but you have to be willing to lose a few on the way. It's better to go out with a fight than be pushed around until you're blinded out.
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karl coakley
Visionary
Silver Level
Playing mediocre hands with someone constantly raising/re-raising can be a huge leak. It gets far to easy to call a raise, miss the flop, and have to fold. You HAVE to avoid this. You have to pick your spots and go with it. I would agree with you, if we were in a cash game, but I think in a tournament the chips have a lot more value.
The OP seemed to let someone's aggression affect him, this is a mistake. Personally, I don't care who raises/re-raises a pot when I'm not in it and I"m not going to extend my range to play with you just because you raised the last 5 pots.
When a hand is in my range, I'm okay with playing a big pot.
poliaris747
Legend
Silver Level
A poker game that does not like hurry! You need to learn the style of the players with whom you sit at the table, and then decide how to act! Many people like to bluff! You need to play very carefully, have an excellent card!
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FearlessPhil
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I did not suggest calling. You would NEVER want to do that. I was suggesting that you push back on them and try to take the pot down without seeing a flop. I don't believe that playing passively is a winning tournament strategy.
Miguel Chacon
Visionary
Silver Level
Man this kind of players at a MTTs you must know they're willing to risk their chips with medium hands so they're range is a lot bigger so don't be afraid to go with a strong hand this is because some guys are willing to risk this part of the tournament at this early stage so they could build a big stack and have better chances to get to the final tables or at least ITM...
This is more often on the freerolls and micro buy ins due to some guys have money or a really high bankroll... so what do you do be first to raise as soon you get a medium hand everyone behind you has fold don't LIMP! try to beat them in they're game yo will see how they tend to do it less often a carefully so that's my advice in this case the best defense is ofense!
Hope this helps you Good Luck at the tables!
This is more often on the freerolls and micro buy ins due to some guys have money or a really high bankroll... so what do you do be first to raise as soon you get a medium hand everyone behind you has fold don't LIMP! try to beat them in they're game yo will see how they tend to do it less often a carefully so that's my advice in this case the best defense is ofense!
Hope this helps you Good Luck at the tables!
gjwalk
Legend
Platinum Level
I'm not a fan of limping in, because you really don't gain any information on your opponents hands. You're probably seeing a lot of raising and re-raising because your opponents have noticed you fold a lot, it's an easy way to get you out of the hand. Try some re-raising of your own and see what happens.
Marinade23
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I wait for a good hand and then I see or re-raise their bet. In some games I kick them out the tour but in other games they win with 3-Q while I have J-J for example so I am like.. wtf??
I get tired of those kind of players so I pray for somenone to throw them of the table
I get tired of those kind of players so I pray for somenone to throw them of the table
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discintildeath
Rock Star
Silver Level
The real question is why are you hoping to limp? Do you find you are calling more than you are raising/3 Betting. It is not good to always reraise and if there are two of them at your table you can hunker down and really make some chips on a good hand. Don't always be one way or the other. You need to 3 Bet the people you notice are acting like you are right now to steal pots with mediocre hands, then you also need to be more conservative when there are raisers at the table. Change to play against each different table and don't always do one thing or you will be easy to pick out and play against.
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CHAVIKI
Rock Star
Silver Level
My strategy
What I do with raiser players is wait for a good hand and raise before them, the mos likely option is thy'll go with watever hand they have, pay for the raise and wait the flop, this move will encourage other players to raise and pay putting the raisers odd too low, and either they loose their money or stop raising, specially after loosing a big amount
What I do with raiser players is wait for a good hand and raise before them, the mos likely option is thy'll go with watever hand they have, pay for the raise and wait the flop, this move will encourage other players to raise and pay putting the raisers odd too low, and either they loose their money or stop raising, specially after loosing a big amount
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ats272
Rock Star
Silver Level
Often have to deal with sush aggressors.In this atmosphere i cant do one patience.I'm trying to counterattack,even with not the strongest card.Naturally,my game depends on the position and how many players in the bank.Not always, but often enough i get to punish the aggressor. ------------------------------------------------------------ NO RETREAT,NO SURRENDER!