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So a lot of debate has been going on on Twitter amongst poker players about unlimited reentry tournaments. Some strongly against it and some who support it. I'd like to know where the majority of Cardschat members fall in this topic. I'll start off by giving my opinion on the matter.
I think tournaments should fall into 3 categories.
1- a normal run of the mill tourney should have a maximum of 2 re entries. It helps build the prize pool and gives pros and recs an equal advantage to come ITM.
2- charity tournaments that give a certain percentage of the pool to charity should be allowed to have unlimited re entries. It helps raise more money and the whole point of this type is to raise as much money as possible.
3- prestigious tournaments i.e. the main event, super high roller bowl, wpt championship should be a freezeout. It adds to the allure of big games while also giving a rec who's built his bankroll up to play these events a fair shot at outlasting a pro with an unlimited roll. I also believe it would add more prestige to taking one of these down.
What's some of your opinions?
 
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Hi There
Good point
Fully agree with you
Inlimited reentries are totally non sense in a normal MTT
Cheers
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I don't like tournaments with reentry, but I can always find others. Everyone can choose.
 
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Are we talking about online or just live?
 
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I don't like the re-entry or add on tournaments. I think you should start with a stack and run a pure game.
 
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re entry

I kind of in between on them. If your not playing good cards it probably don't matter how many times you enter. Im guessing its just a money grab for the tourney which is fine. I prefer a 1 time buy and possible add on if available.
 
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I'm going to have to go along with everything fishfood said. Freezeout for the higher buy in tournaments for sure.
 
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I HATE 'em. If I buy in, I want to play poker. I don't want to play bingo. There is too much reckless play when people can just buyin again and again. I understand it is their money and they can do anything they want with it, but it affects me, because I MUST play their game.

I think freezeouts are best. I puts everyone on the same playing field. If a player wants to be reckless, then do it, and we will see you later.

Now, ACR doesn't not have nearly enough freezeouts. It seems like 1 in 20 might be a freezeout. I get that they may not make as much money in a freezeout. Soooo, then add more freezeouts. Nothing like playing in a tournament where there is 3-4 hrs of buyin time. That is a LONG time to go before we can start playing poker, and now we are usually up against the bubble. Arghhhhhh. Did I say that I hate 'em.

A couple levesl of later registration is one thing, because we can not always get there in time, but 3+ hrs??

Thanks for asking. I haven't gone on a rant in a long time.
 
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I don't like the idea of rebuys in freerolls because it artificially increases the number of players competing for the same prizes with the house using the rebuy and add on money to essentially pay less for the prize pool

But in money tournaments, rebuys are basically increasing the number of players with a proportional increase in prize money, so I don't have any problem with rebuys. And by the same token, what's the difference between one, two, three or unlimited rebuys? It's just more money for the prize pool, minus the rake, of course.

There were some issues with unlimited rebuys in contests like Player of the Year, but in my opinion the problem there was the poor design of the Player of the Year contest, not the unlimited rebuys themselves.
 
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I support your opinion! But how do maniacs satisfy their poker needs? Let there be tournaments with unlimited rebuys, we have a relatively new room in our country, they now have a series-entry of about 10 dollars-10,000 initial stack, 40 rebuy-30,000 stack ( unlimited) and edon, as for me it's just nonsense
 
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I generally do not like any additional inputs. There are players who use this in tournaments with low entry in a bad way. They make allins for a sharp stack raise. And with any card.
 
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I HATE 'em. If I buy in, I want to play poker. I don't want to play bingo. There is too much reckless play when people can just buyin again and again. I understand it is their money and they can do anything they want with it, but it affects me, because I MUST play their game.

If you are playing purely for fun, I can kind of see, why it might be more enjoyable to play against better players. However if your goal is to win, then you need to learn to love those donkeys, who splash their chips around, because they are rocket fuel to your winrate. Sure they increase your variance, but that is solved by having a bankroll and by managing your emotions (tilt). As for rebuys you can also take advantage of them, if you get stacked early in a tournament, so I see them as a tool at my disposal.

All that being said I do like freezeouts, but its not because, there is less reckless play. Its more the fact, that there is less moving around from table to table, as people enter the tournament or bust, and I know from the beginning, what exactly is the number of players and the pricepool.

For the same reason I also agree, that shorter periods of late registration would be better. Usually the 10 minute blind interval tournaments on 888 Poker have late registration for 110 or even 120 minutes, if they start with 100BB stacks. They do however have one, where its limited to 80 minutes, and that is already a whole lot better in my opinion.
 
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Very nice article ur absolutley right! I like reentrie tournaments but cant stand rebuy and add on tournaments
 
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Good Morning.
Come on, re-entry tournaments increase the prize value,
but many risk folding with bad cards which for me is good and bad, bad because you can lose to better showdowns than yours because many go all in early on leaving you without much action.
Charity tournaments exist and you can do this by inviting your friends to play and handing out the final prize with some noble cause. This is and is commendable.
I prefer to play tournaments with limited rebuy (max two)
Good luck to all.:drunken_s
 
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I dont like unlimited reentries. I think 2 or 3 is ok, more than 3 any players plays a bingo poker.. i think lose fun.. if its a freebuy ok but i never pay for unlimited!
 
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Perfectly said

I think tournaments should fall into 3 categories.
1- a normal run of the mill tourney should have a maximum of 2 re entries. It helps build the prize pool and gives pros and recs an equal advantage to come ITM.
2- charity tournaments that give a certain percentage of the pool to charity should be allowed to have unlimited re entries. It helps raise more money and the whole point of this type is to raise as much money as possible.
3- prestigious tournaments i.e. the main event, super high roller bowl, wpt championship should be a freezeout. It adds to the allure of big games while also giving a rec who's built his bankroll up to play these events a fair shot at outlasting a pro with an unlimited roll. I also believe it would add more prestige to taking one of these down.
What's some of your opinions?

This is great! I absolutely 100% agree with you.

Unlimited re-entries can be very frustrating in some games and I really like how you break them down into 3 categories. Late registration alone can be sometimes frustrating when it lasts 5 hours so when there is also the ability of unlimited re-entries it makes it seem like the tournament is never ending.

I know when I first buy-in to a tournament I am determining the potential of how long it could last vs. the end payout and it is worth my time. I'm sorry, I lover but don't want to play for 10 hours just for the potential of 1st being $8. That payout isn't so bad on a shorter tournament but not for 10 hours if that's 1st place.
 
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I think reentry tournaments are necessary because we give the player a second chance, but tournaments with no reentry limits I think it is foolish and if you choose a limit I would say that two reentries are enough.
 
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I think reentry tournaments are necessary because we give the player a second chance, but tournaments with no reentry limits I think it is foolish and if you choose a limit I would say that two reentries are enough.

Not that poker sites care about this, but a limit on the number of rebuys also protect players from burning up their bankroll, when they get busted repeatedly in a tournament. For me personally I am usually a little bit tilted and done with the thing, if I have rebought two times, so I typically choose to protect myself by leaving.
 
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I don't think one can argue that unlimited rebuying doesn't benefit skilled players more than recs and since we want to attract those rec players to the game to improve poker's ecosystem they are a terrible format.

It makes a lot of the early stages more like a cash game which is almost purpose defeating anyway.
 
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I personally dont like re-entry/ re buy tournaments. While I can understand why the casinos and site like them for the REC player is just sucks. I player in my 1st WPT main event this past year and watched one top level Pro buy in as it was reported 6 times. While I had a blast playing in this event, i probably wont play in one again if there is 8 hours or re buy/ re entry.

Personally I prefer freeze out events of one re enrty events. As for late registration, they need to pull it back some. 3 hours in a online event or 8-10 hours in a live event is beyond to much.
 
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Unfortunately most tournaments now are unlimited re-entries. You have to be able to dodge so many bullets.
 
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Up to 1 reentry is fine, it seems unnecessary anymore. If you lost 2 times in the same tournament, it's fair to be eliminated.
 
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So a lot of debate has been going on on Twitter amongst poker players about unlimited reentry tournaments. Some strongly against it and some who support it. I'd like to know where the majority of Cardschat members fall in this topic. I'll start off by giving my opinion on the matter.
I think tournaments should fall into 3 categories.
1- a normal run of the mill tourney should have a maximum of 2 re entries. It helps build the prize pool and gives pros and recs an equal advantage to come ITM.
2- charity tournaments that give a certain percentage of the pool to charity should be allowed to have unlimited re entries. It helps raise more money and the whole point of this type is to raise as much money as possible.
3- prestigious tournaments i.e. the main event, super high roller bowl, wpt championship should be a freezeout. It adds to the allure of big games while also giving a rec who's built his bankroll up to play these events a fair shot at outlasting a pro with an unlimited roll. I also believe it would add more prestige to taking one of these down.
What's some of your opinions?


Definitely a huge disadvantage for lower budget players or satellite entry players. Compared to someone willing to fire 4-5 bullets and end up quadrupling their stack at the end of registration, a single entry participant is more than likely to get chewed up.

I mean, lets me honest, me being a single entry player, my AK wont hold up 5 out of 5 times to a J9o to reentry players. Im toast no matter what.

So I guess only solution is to enter 1 min before registration ends , enter table with a minimum starting stack (and look around at the other 8 players with piles of chips...lol)
 
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I don't think one can argue that unlimited rebuying doesn't benefit skilled players more than recs and since we want to attract those rec players to the game to improve poker's ecosystem they are a terrible format.

It makes a lot of the early stages more like a cash game which is almost purpose defeating anyway.


I think, it depends on, what kind of tournaments we are talking about. When Daniel Negreanu raised this subject, he was talking about high buyin live tournaments. And in those it might be true, that some recs cannot afford to rebuy, and therefore rebuy benefit those, who can. I really dont think, this argument is valid for online tournaments though end especially not the micro or small stakes, which most people actually play. In fact I will argue, that bad players are more likely to rebuy in an online 5$ tournament than good players, because they are more likely to bust early.

Some people complain, that unlimited rebuy results in reckless play, which they dislike. And sure enough people going all in with random hands, until they eventually get lucky and dubble up, might increase their chance to cash in a tournament. But they have also paid the registration fee several times, so in reality they are donating money to the pricepool.

Its not like, the K5 offsuit of a maniac is going to beat your QQ every single time. So the real problem here is, that some people feel entitled to win 100% of the time, when they have the best hand, and when they only win 70% of the time, they get upset. This however has nothing to do with rebuy tournaments. Its a problem in the mental game of those people, who complain about reckless play. Or its an issue of them not using proper bankroll management.
 
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I always avoid playing a tournament with unlimited returns. I also prefer MTT without rebuys and without late registration which lasts for hours. I do not like the parts that last too long because my energy is limited and my time is precious.
 
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