On different platforms there are freeroll tournaments where beginners have opportunities to generate resources, is it a disadvantage to admit professional players in these tournaments?

I think, it is not. In freerolls, there is really crazy variance so it really does not matter who plays it - pro or hobbie player. These tournaments are supposed to be mainly fun with opportunity to get some money.

Im not sure how much of a pro a player is, if he plays freerolls. Usually the prize is very small, and a lot of people playing. 10 dollars for like 5 hours of your time, i mean come on, pro players can do better.

The professionals are in something else, they do not play freerolls, it is a wear that does not generate absolutely any benefit even if they win first place, a pro is on another level

Why shouldn't this be allowed? I see no reason to restrict these players from participating in such tournaments.

I think the professionals do not participate in freerolls, the prizes in freerolls are too small for them.

Some freerolls feature pro players. It is interesting to play with him at the same table and knock him out of the tournament and get rewarded for it.

I don't think a pro gets into the freeroll, it's too much of a waste of time for him and too little gain.

I believe most of the times pro players will be seen playing a freeroll is for promotion of the site or his home game and I see no reason why wouldn't they.
For instance Andre Akkari is often promoting freerolls at his PS HG and playing it.it works as promoting for PS and his e-sport team, Fúria.

I don't think many Pros would bother with free-rolls as the rewards are generally too small to actually make a living from them. Unless they were broke and playing rock bottom games to climb back up. But if they were broke I am sure they have many friends that would lend them a couple of thousand dollars for a few decent buy-ins.

It might be an Idea to push onto some sites, a Pro celebrity playing in a free-roll with a single bounty on his head like they do in some tournaments. Who knows? it might work and then of course they would probably introduce a re-buy system so it cost's you money to buy back in.
Anything is possible.

Personally it would not bother me, too much, as I have been playing like a dog recently, and couldn't win an argument if I was locked in a room by myself.
Poker is a game that should be played for fun and not worry about what you might win or lose, and that is why we have free-rolls to help fun players, It is also a way that Poker Sites can make money by introducing hobby and fun players into the Cash games, and tourneys, where they have to buy-in.

I have always said, that for every player like me, who likes to play for fun, there are thousand's of other players all chasing their dream's to make the big score.
Pro or Amateur we are all the same on the green felt. we all make mistakes, and we can all be beaten, and we can all be eventual winners.

When the fun Stops, STOP!

Think its fine, gives a chance for people to play againts one of their favorite pro's

they may not have a bankroll or to get their free time

When they participate it has a connection with some promotion and I doubt that their focus (A-Game) is there and not at another table in this cases, so I even prefer

As a rule, a professional player does not play freerolls.

this is a very difficult situation to happen, but when it does, take it as a challenge, you can test your ability against a pro player, and you will not be paying anything for it!

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I think that it is very rare for a professional poker player to be playing in a freeroll, since they could almost certainly make much more money by simply playing a cash game or a bigger tournament.

Originally Posted by tipejo767

On different platforms there are freeroll tournaments where beginners have opportunities to generate resources, is it a disadvantage to admit professional players in these tournaments?

The only reasons pros will be in freerolls is for promotional purposes or if they're on a BR challenge or the suchlike..

Either way, what's wrong with that? Good opportunity to witness how they play and square up against them for free, surely?

Originally Posted by deputat777

As a rule, a professional player does not play freerolls.

Is this supposed to be some unwritten rule or what

Freerolling is very common for pros... getting free tickets for tournaments all the time as rakeback, some tournaments are good to play like the old pokerstars tickets for platinum, supernova, etc. Or even some stuff running nowdays in some other online poker rooms. Or the major series tickets you receive when you are out of a tournament.

Or when the guys pay for you to play a tournament and share the prize.

Stu Ungar was playing a freeroll in the 1997 WSOP Main Event (since Billy Baxter payed the entry), was not a real staking method back in the day, just a guy who saw potential in a great pro and gave him the chance to play for a huge prize. They split the prize but was not the conventional staking thing.

Originally Posted by tipejo767

On different platforms there are freeroll tournaments where beginners have opportunities to generate resources, is it a disadvantage to admit professional players in these tournaments?

I don't think it really matters and they should be allowed to play them if they want to do so, but generally speaking, I'm not expecting top pros to be hustling the freerolls I play in lol. Too much time invested for too little gain. Why play freerolls when you just came back from high stakes games? Doesn't really make sense...even if they were experimenting with a new strategy or something, they would play lower stakes with their peers, not freeroll players.

Originally Posted by abgvedr

Im not sure how much of a pro a player is, if he plays freerolls. Usually the prize is very small, and a lot of people playing. 10 dollars for like 5 hours of your time, i mean come on, pro players can do better.

My thought on it too. Of course, there are many freeroll players who are successful and I sometimes think of them as "pros" Probably regs for the freerolls is the more accurate term, but these players are consistently among the top finishers even compared to other good players.

The cardschat freerolls I play in the Platinum level and the Poker League games we play are filled with such "freeroll pros" and especially so at those Final Tables consistently

Originally Posted by eniseysmail

Why shouldn't this be allowed? I see no reason to restrict these players from participating in such tournaments.

No reason to not allow them to play, but with such a low incentive for the pro - I don't think too many pros would play freerolls when other games are available. Advertising, or a bankroll challenge or something similar is about the only exception I could think of that might justify a pro temporarily playing in freerolls.

Well, maybe. I agree with you that playing freerolls is pointless for a professional player. And by and large, if such a player takes part, then I think he does it just for his own entertainment. In such games, this player does not care about winning.

I dont think that a pro player will play a freeroll.
Why a guy that plays a 10k buyin will play for hours to, in the best case, wons 10USD
They are very welcome, but they dont play it
Sometimes streamers or some pro's create a freeroll to interact with thei fans/ viewers, so in that case they play it
And if i'm playing a freeroll and get into the same table of Negreanu i'll be very happy

I don't think that's even a thing to debate about on the sheer fact of numbers of pros in freerolls which has to be close to none.

I don't think, it has to be something positive for beginners to be able to compete with the professionals and to be able to learn for future tournaments. obviously your chances of winning are shortened but it is a small price for teaching.

Hello.
In general, I do not think professional players can be interested in freerolls, but in any case, I do not see any problem. In my opinion, the participation of a professional in freerolls, on the contrary, makes this tournament more interesting for all its participants.

I am neither very sure nor strongly agreed, I think that professionals do not enter to play in freerolls, I understand that due to the profits it can generate, it is more of a waste of time to spend hours playing free for a few dollars, they invest their time in tournaments juicier, is my humble opinion.

If the pros play freerolls, then there is a reason why they are playing, but this reason has nothing to do with the prize money, if these are not super lucrative offers from different platforms. And what is a professional?

I don't see any problems as the rules are the same for all players !!!

If the poker player is professional, he will not enter in freerolls, cause will spend so much time for too little money... there is not a good professionals in freerolls...

Honestly I dont mind it. In game like Poker there will always be little bit misshap with skill and buy-ins. Like there is complete beginners in 1k tourneys.

I think everyone should be allowed to play freerolls, but unless it’s a promotional freeroll or a challenge, I don’t see other reason why a professional player would play freerolls.

Originally Posted by Cooking

I think everyone should be allowed to play freerolls, but unless it’s a promotional freeroll or a challenge, I don’t see other reason why a professional player would play freerolls.

Could it be that real money poker is not allowed in their state in United States

I love pros to play the freerolls!!!!! I think this is a platform for us to improve our play not just a source of money. So if the pros are playing and I take 1st I call it a good game!!!!!

i want to play with the PROS, if ever they want to play it in the first place

Hello, the truth is that no, even many players who play for pleasure have the possibility of playing with a professional, which serves to motivate players to play poker, I have even seen celebrities play in freerolls this happens in the big poker rooms. poker.

I don,t think really, that pro players will waste their time to play any freerolls. Maybe sometimes they can play it for fun, but to be honest i think they did not do this. I think they spend lots of hours for a regular play, cash games or tournament and they just do not interesting in loosing this time for freerolls with lots of players.

Pro players love the game and it doesn't matter what the prize is in the end! Winning is what its all about!

I wouldn't playing with a pro if they had to play for a promotion in a freeroll.

Originally Posted by tipejo767

On different platforms there are freeroll tournaments where beginners have opportunities to generate resources, is it a disadvantage to admit professional players in these tournaments?

well yes in terms of winnings, no in terms of training new poker players via the ones with XP.

Originally Posted by tipejo767

On different platforms there are freeroll tournaments where beginners have opportunities to generate resources, is it a disadvantage to admit professional players in these tournaments?

No. The rules of freerolls are that everyone is welcome. Why should someone not be allowed to play? That makes no sense at all

Originally Posted by tipejo767

On different platforms there are freeroll tournaments where beginners have opportunities to generate resources, is it a disadvantage to admit professional players in these tournaments?

This is really never going to happen, unless the "pro" is in the freeroll to generate interest and maybe have a bounty on his head for others to try and knock out. WHY do I say this won't happen?? Because in poker , professional poker players figure out what their "hourly rate" is, and believe me pros will not sit in freerolls because it just does NOT pay. 1st of all, it is a bingo game, people are shoving any 2, any position. I do believe that pros could navigate their way through but it is not worth the time. Relax , and rest assured that your freeroll is going to be filled with Rec players

Whatever the reason why a pro goes into a freerol, I think it shouldn't be a problem.

That would make for an interesting movie. Pro busts out and proceeds to ruin his staking reputation. Crawls his way back from freerolls. Squirrels away enough to enter a major and wins a big one, sees the error of his ways, pays off his backers, and achieves greatness.

Only freerolls I play are Cardschat one,Pro's don't meet the rules so their not in here but I would love to play with these guys in a freeroll but I somehow don't think were getting their A game in a freeroll

Why wouldu play freerolls for a couple of nuggets when u can compete for a stake on the chicken farm?

I think in freerolls, professional players are simply necessary to motivate novice players.I often see such freerolls on Pokerstars and they give a reward for knocking out professionals.

Have noticed on GGPoker many pros play midstakes and high stakes as a freeroll selling half of buy in for double the price.
The $150 entry gets covered by backers in this example at 2.0 so the pro can not lose in these tournaments but still get 50% of the profits sweet deal if sell it.

Pros seem to be happy with all the freerolls they can get many are eager to play for free without risk,
5 or 6 digit amounts worth of volume played sometimes with a 2x mark up by some of them it looks like to me to be honest.

Playing in a freeroll is always plus EV, and pro players love +EV)))

So it would be quite logical for them to play in freerolls.

On the other hand, the prize pool in freerolls is pretty much always quite low, while number of entrants is quite big. Hence, as profitable it might be in terms of EV, no pro that has a bankroll will bother playing freerolls.

I think freerolls are meant to be for player who are willing to try playing poker seriously, but do not have spare cash, or simply do not want to risk money while trying. Once a player generates any kind of bankroll, he usually stops playing freerolls as it is much more efficient to play tournaments where prize pool is generated through buy-ins and thus can reach tremendous amounts.

Anyways, even if lots of pro players are participating in freerolls I do not think that it is bad. Personally, I enjoy playing against strong opponents rather than fish.

Promotions, bounties or advertising, all reason someone would play. They are open to all, that includes skilled players.

Your proposal seems ridiculous to me)))