I wanted to further my analysis on the thread that ChickenArse started on PokerStars Grand Tour as I too feel there hasn't been enough discussion on this very different and fascinating brand of poker that they recently introduced.

For those unfamiliar with it, basically it's a 100% PKO shootout style MTT where you can buy-in at any level - $1, $2, $5, $12, $25 and $60. You win money for every person you knock-out, and you collect your bounty when it hits $100 - and you win the MTT.

My general strategy for all sprints minus the final one (I'll get into the $60 buy-in later):
- Identify where you are in chips relative to the big stack - people that win and move up may have bigger bounties to start
- Goal is to become chip leader as quick as possible
- Punish stacks 10BB or less on every orbit
- Any two cards do if you can win two bounties
- Expand your range

To date I've played around 55 to 60 Grand Tours, the majority from the $5 level as I believe this is the most profitable level to play from. Other pros such as the OP Poker Team and Croaks who both are grinding this hard, also play from the $5's. Why?

I've noticed that you can expect the three bounties won in a stage to be roughly 30 to 35% of the buy-ins. This obviously is impacted by the purple and gold jerseys that pay out substantially more...but on average if I had to guess I'd say that you can expect the bounties won to be roughly the equivalent to your full buy-in to the level.

So for each buy-in level the bounties to be won are:
$1 - $1.26
$2 - $2.52
$5 - $6.30
$12 - $15.12
$25 - $31.50
$60 - $75.60

So let's say you started at each level and won all three bounties per level. Your net score, exclusive of your own bounty would be:
$1 - $132.30 --> Net of $131.30 over six sprints ($21.88 / sprint)
$2 - $131.04 --> Net of $129.04 over five sprints ($25.81 / sprint)
$5 - $128.52 --> Net of $123.52 over four sprints ($30.88 / sprint)
$12 - $122.22 --> Net of $110.22 over three sprints ($36.74 / sprint)
$25 - $107.10 --> Net of $82.10 over two sprints ($41.05 / sprint)
$60 - $75.60 --> Net of $15.60 over one sprint ($15.60 / sprint)

So obviously playing from the $25's should be the best for profit / hour only having to play 2 sprints but that requires a substantial bankroll to play. The $12 sprints might appear to be the best past that but keep in mind:
- Skill level would be higher at the $12 sprints - harder to get 3 KO's
- You have more KO opportunities starting from the $5 level - more opportunities to hit a jackpot bounty
- More people can afford playing these from the $5's

I would NOT recommend playing from the $1 or $2 level. There is a lot of variance in these games and as you can see your expected profit goes way down per sprint so if you're looking to try it out and get a feel go for it. But with having to win 5 or 6 in a row, your chances of reaching the end go down.

Game play is quite wide - there are some that shove every hand and leave it up to chance. Others play like a normal MTT which is a mistake because blinds go up every 4 hands. Your 20BB stack playing tight will dwindle waiting for premium hands. So in my experience:
- I don't shove or call a shove on hand 1 unless I have a premium hand
- Identify the "MANIACS" and adjust
- Punish those playing tight

As I mentioned above, I believe you need to be chip leader after the first or second orbit. You need to be the one putting the table at risk in these to win boumties. If you are the one at risk, you will be called by wide hands and will lose more than you should because of variance so it's key to get chips early.

You also need to understand the dynamic of this variant. This is an example of what I mean:

I'm first in chips in the BB with 22BB. UTG has 10BB, BTN has 7 BB, and the SB has 12BB. UTG limps, BTN folds and the SB shoves. I have T7d.

I shove here where in a spin n go or typical MTT I'd fold. Why shove?
I''d be left with 10BB back if I lose, and I'll give the UTG odds to call putting their bounty up. Recall I said earlier - if you can get two bounties at risk you call any two cards. I only need to beat one hand to win their bounty, and could win both making this an easy decision. As it turned out, the SB won the hand but I did beat UTG getting their bounty.

The final level does play different - I've played one and did win all three bounties for a massive win but the game play was definitely tighter earlier on due to your own bounty being so lucrative now as it is available to win. Again, you have to chip up and be the one to put pressure on others but you do find shoving doesn't get called as much as the others sprints because of this. You can easily come back from a very short stack because your opponent will be hyper aggressive to win your bounty so keep that in mind. That goes for any buy-in level - you can chip up fast due to the escalating blinds and the bounty over your head.

One other piece of advice - I don't typically play one buy-in to the end. You are allowed to have 6 sprints on the go at once so I tend to play a couple of $5's, get a $12 one on standby and then work to get another one up. Play both and work towards a $25. And I repeat until I have a couple of $60's+ waiting to play one so I always have a bigger race to go if I get hot.

One tour win to my name thus far - how are you doing in the tour and what things about it do you want to know more about??

Good luck!!

Great Thread Chris!

I'm definitely a GTI racer and enjoying it... I think the format is popular so will be around for a while. LIKE.

Wow, really nice thread, and I agree that 1,2$ aren't profitable and variance is massive. I was grinding 1$ Grand Tours and couldn't manage to climb really far and most of the time I couldn't get a lot of bounties too, rarely I managed to get 2-3 bounties and players there are going for bounties like really crazy, structure is really fast too so variance is massive. Respect to players who make some good profit at this game.

I would love to try these out....except there's that pesky thing about being south of the north border

Wow. This was a fantastic analysis.
Now I learned a lot about the Grand Tour and learned. Thanks.
Once I start on it now I know $ 5 is the right one and I don’t have to step up all the way to $ 60.

Originally Posted by Edison A

Great Thread Chris!

Thanks Edison, glad you like this!! More info to come tomorrow, I'm just finishing up a full review of my games to date

Originally Posted by Tracid

I'm definitely a GTI racer and enjoying it... I think the format is popular so will be around for a while. LIKE.

I hope it is too Tracid, I feel this is beatable which is rare these days for online poker.

Originally Posted by kristersb123

Wow, really nice thread, and I agree that 1,2$ aren't profitable and variance is massive. I was grinding 1$ Grand Tours and couldn't manage to climb really far and most of the time I couldn't get a lot of bounties too, rarely I managed to get 2-3 bounties and players there are going for bounties like really crazy, structure is really fast too so variance is massive. Respect to players who make some good profit at this game.

As I'm finding out, it's not the level you start at but the level above where you need to make your money and if you're grinding $1 then there just isn't a lot of money for you at the $2 level. You'll get a better idea tomorrow when I post my stats. I'm a big loser at the level I buy-in at which is the $5, but the money made at the $12 makes up for it plus

Originally Posted by Propane Goat

I would love to try these out....except there's that pesky thing about being south of the north border

Just means you need to move north to grind it When the border opens up that is...

Originally Posted by ADRI7HO

Wow. This was a fantastic analysis.
Now I learned a lot about the Grand Tour and learned. Thanks.
Once I start on it now I know $ 5 is the right one and I don’t have to step up all the way to $ 60.

Thanks - glad you're enjoying this so far.

You definitely can profit comfortably in this playing the $5 level and never winning a tour...in fact I haven't won that much money at the $25 level despite having 5 wins out of 13 at that buy-in. The majority of my profit is coming from the $12's and I've only won 13 of 38.

So as promised here are my stats from June 30th (Stars won't send me tournament summaries earlier than this and PT4 stinks for tracking).

$2 Level
Played: 11
Buy-Ins: $22
1st Place - 4
Winning % - 36.36%
KO's - 11
KO's - $11.33
Profit: -$10.67

$5 Buy-In

Played: 134
Buy-Ins: $650
1st Place - 42
Winning % - 31.34%
KO's - 134
KO's - $423.70
Profit: -$226.30

$12 Buy-In

Played: 42
Buy-Ins: $0
1st Place - 15
Winning % - 35.71%
KO's - 44
KO's - $285.52
Profit: $285.52

$25 Buy-In

Played: 14
Buy-Ins: $0
1st Place - 4
Winning % - 28.57%
KO's - 12
KO's - $97.33
Profit: $97.33

$60 Buy-In

Played: 3
Buy-Ins: $0
1st Place - 1
Winning % - 33.33%
KO's - 6 (Includes my own for winning)
KO's - $294.94
Profit: $294.94

Overall

Played: 204
Buy-Ins: $672
1st Place - 66
Winning % - 32.35%
KO's - 206
KO's - $1112.82
Profit: $440.82
ROI: 165.60%

Now as mentioned I spoke to Nick Walsh, OP Poker Ambassador and a serious grinder of the Grand Tour and we chatted briefly about the tour. He had some awesome points to add:

- At the lower stakes, prioritize winning the stage vs going for the bounties. As noted, you'll see that I'm losing money at the $5 stakes mainly because the bounties are not large. So don't feel pressure to go for the kill, be smart about your place relative to the risk going for them

- He didn't think avoiding the $1 or $2 was a horrible provided you put the volume in. The hourly win rate will be horrible but these games technically are the most profitable. It ultimately comes down to how much you're playing to make it work from the $2 stakes. Most won't have the stomach to grind from the $1 or $2 but your exposure to bounties - and multipliers goes up.

- Skill level is only slightly higher he feels as you go up in levels, primarily because of the number of people buying in directly, and the pace of the game

- He feels chipping up early is key, not only to go for bounties but to avoid bleeding chips as the blind level is fast. But don't be reckless about it.

So I'm currently sitting with 2 runs at the $60, 2 at the $25 and 1 at the $12 so I'm hoping to complete another grand tour this week.

How is everyone else doing? Who else has nabbed a tour?

Ok a quick update on my stats:

Won my 2nd tour yesterday! I'm 2 for 5 now in the final sprint!

Overall I'm keeping pace with winning 30% of my sprints overall but interestingly enough that percentage goes up with buy-in so I hope that's a trend that continues.

It looks like I'm getting one $60 shot with every 38-39 sprint starts and some of those were at the $2 level which are harder to accomplish so that also is interesting when you consider that to get to the final stage you beat 63 other people (if everyone started at the $5).

My KO to sprint number did dip a bit, I'm now averaging 0.96 KO's / sprint but again I'm getting more bounties at the higher buy-ins than the $5's so that also is a positive sign.

I'm curious for those that have played from the $2's - are you finding similar numbers to me at the $5's?

Being a sucker for challenges, I thought these are really fun. After reading this thread I see that they are profitable for some good players too. I don't have much time to play lately, due to my day job (I hope you all missed me in CC games), let alone study, but I think I'll give it a try when things cool down a little.
Great thread!

Originally Posted by PsychoVas

Being a sucker for challenges, I thought these are really fun. After reading this thread I see that they are profitable for some good players too. I don't have much time to play lately, due to my day job (I hope you all missed me in CC games), let alone study, but I think I'll give it a try when things cool down a little.
Great thread!

I think you should and the beauty of this is you don't need long to play - a sprint can take 5 mins but typically less and you can restart after winning later so it really does fit anyone's schedule

Originally Posted by CRStals

...PT4 stinks for tracking)....

As an aside, can you turn of PT4 or pause collection of data when playing these high variance short handed tournaments? If not I would think playing these would screw up your data and make analyzing your game impossible as it would be skewed with useless data. I am looking into getting either PT4 or HM and will likely get the one I can turn off or pause data collection if there is a difference.

I am curious, why did you choose to start a new thread?

Originally Posted by ChickenArise

As an aside, can you turn of PT4 or pause collection of data when playing these high variance short handed tournaments? If not I would think playing these would screw up your data and make analyzing your game impossible as it would be skewed with useless data. I am looking into getting either PT4 or HM and will likely get the one I can turn off or pause data collection if there is a difference.

I am curious, why did you choose to start a new thread?

The data definitely doesn't read properly in PT4 so I've resorted to tracking manually. I actually find PT4 for MTT's with tickets or 0 buy-ins is very manual and not accurate so I tend to do my own tracking.

I started a new thread for two reasons:
- I wanted a place to post my own stats and update more often and didn't want to overtake your thread
- More threads and discussion on this the better to get the word out on these games.

You have a great thread going and I didn't want to overtake it...

Update on how things are going:

- Captured my 3rd tour yesterday. It was a fight, and I only captured one bounty but being the last one it was the one that counted.
- My path to the 3rd one was not as smooth as the first two as I had a harder time getting out of the 5's. My win rate dropped to 26.5% - however my win rate in the higher sprints seemed to go up so I am encouraged overall
- My stats at the $5 are down but I'm still liking that I'm getting HU more often than not. I did note that the average KO went down here - probably because we haven't hit any big KO's and the one gold jersey I have brought it up artifically
- Maintaining one KO / sprint at the $25 and $60 should make for a tidy profit if that can hold. My KO rate at the $12's dipped slightly but we are still looking good there
- I still have 2 $60's in the bank, 3 $25's in the bank (1 each are for the stake I'm running right now) and a $12 so here's hoping that we can turn one of those into my 4th sprint.
- I did start playing these from the $12's but found I didn't play as well so I've reverted back to the $5's and will stay there for now.

Keep pedaling and going for the bounties!

Originally Posted by CRStals

The data definitely doesn't read properly in PT4 so I've resorted to tracking manually. I actually find PT4 for MTT's with tickets or 0 buy-ins is very manual and not accurate so I tend to do my own tracking.

I started a new thread for two reasons:
- I wanted a place to post my own stats and update more often and didn't want to overtake your thread
- More threads and discussion on this the better to get the word out on these games.

You have a great thread going and I didn't want to overtake it...

Cool, thanks for your candor. I thought my thread was dying on the vine and could use some help. I want to get PT or HM but want to make sure I get the right one. If I could not exclude these games from my data in one, it would make my decision easy and I would buy the other.

Originally Posted by ChickenArise

Cool, thanks for your candor. I thought my thread was dying on the vine and could use some help. I want to get PT or HM but want to make sure I get the right one. If I could not exclude these games from my data in one, it would make my decision easy and I would buy the other.

PT4 doesn't track it well so I'd look into HM if I were you - I'm not getting it as I have PT4 with everything else I play but up to you.

Wanted to update my stats in the GT:
- I'm getting to more $25 and $60 than I should be so far but my rate at winning $5's has come down so I'm hoping that changes to keep the $12 and $25 win rates up
- I was almost even on my 3rd win - I had a big downswing in the $5's which dropped my rate. Hoping that I've plugged a few holes with that one
- I still have 2 $60's in the bank and 2 $25's to play in case you're looking at my math, those are taken into account

So it's been a while since I've updated my stats so here they are after yesterday. Couple of things that jump out, knowing that the sample size is small. Realistically I need 2500 sprints to get a better gauge across all levels which will take a few weeks to get.

I'm not happy that my $5 sprint win rate has gone down but my win rate above $5 has maintained to date so that's encouraging. Being 4 for 12 in the final sprint is helping my bottom line as well. Being significantly ahead of winning $12's (Rate of 9.38 $5 sprints per $12 win) is awesome though.

I need to win more KO's above the $5's and I'm noticing that chasing bounties in the $5's is not worth risking the sprint itself, but above the $5's it is a lot more lucrative.

Note I'm tracking all of this manually - how are you tracking your progress?

Nice looking manual chart!

Originally Posted by Debi

Nice looking manual chart!

Thanks Debi!!

What a great thread!

However, after reading it I thought I would grind my way from the $5 until I had six $25 games ready to go - took a while but got there.

Got HU in 4
- Two of them I had a 3:1 lead and lost two flips in a row.
- Two of them I was even in chips HU and lost flip

Other two I was chip leader and did the CALL ANY TWO strategy here when two players were all in I had covered - had complete junk both times and didn't win a single bounty. (9,4s one hand and had 7,3o in the other) Down to about 5bb in both and out shortly after.

Not sure about that strategy - I just found the whole thing highly infuriating after grinding for hours to get the five $25 games ready and then to get HU in four and stack off in two.

Grrrr

Would love to know what others thing about the CALL ANY TWO strategy.

J

Originally Posted by jonnye01

What a great thread!

However, after reading it I thought I would grind my way from the $5 until I had six $25 games ready to go - took a while but got there.

Got HU in 4
- Two of them I had a 3:1 lead and lost two flips in a row.
- Two of them I was even in chips HU and lost flip

Other two I was chip leader and did the CALL ANY TWO strategy here when two players were all in I had covered - had complete junk both times and didn't win a single bounty. (9,4s one hand and had 7,3o in the other) Down to about 5bb in both and out shortly after.

Not sure about that strategy - I just found the whole thing highly infuriating after grinding for hours to get the five $25 games ready and then to get HU in four and stack off in two.

Grrrr

Would love to know what others thing about the CALL ANY TWO strategy.

J

Thanks for following along and impressive runs for you so far. How many sprints have you started in total and how many $60's have you got to overall?

As far as any two, I did back off on this on a later post that you may have missed. Going for two bounties with any two within some reason...better to prioritize winning the sprint over the bounties but at the $60 level those are big bounties...
But your bpunty to win is bigger yet (usually) so prioritize the win vs the KO unless you can win two. Any two is too wide but I'd be fine calling 75c, 22, A5o, etc

Originally Posted by CRStals

Thanks for following along and impressive runs for you so far. How many sprints have you started in total and how many $60's have you got to overall?

As far as any two, I did back off on this on a later post that you may have missed. Going for two bounties with any two within some reason...better to prioritize winning the sprint over the bounties but at the $60 level those are big bounties...
But your bpunty to win is bigger yet (usually) so prioritize the win vs the KO unless you can win two. Any two is too wide but I'd be fine calling 75c, 22, A5o, etc

Thanks mate!

I think my overall stats are 100 runs started ($5 level) and 4 $60 runs - no idea if that is good or terrible! Not won one yet though!

Got to six $25 games again.

Got to HU in 5 of them with a chip lead.

In all of them grinded opponent down to 8bb eff with 2:1 chip lead and lose back to back flips in all five.

So gutting.

Worst is I then load up the $5 games again and can't miss - quads, full houses, all hands holding.

Brutal

Originally Posted by jonnye01

Thanks mate!

I think my overall stats are 100 runs started ($5 level) and 4 $60 runs - no idea if that is good or terrible! Not won one yet though!

Thats a good rate to be honest, I think I'm between 26 and 28 $5 starts per $60 so that stat, should it continue to hold will pay off.

I do need to update my stats which I'll do on Sunday

Great thread Chris,,,very informative and fascinating to be honest,keep it up!

Originally Posted by CRStals

Thats a good rate to be honest, I think I'm between 26 and 28 $5 starts per $60 so that stat, should it continue to hold will pay off.

I do need to update my stats which I'll do on Sunday

That's great to hear mate - I'll keep grinding!

I never knew you were such a grinder Chris. I enjoyed reading this thread.

You are allowed to have 6 sprints on the go at once so I tend to play a couple of $5's, get a $12 one on standby and then work to get another one up. Play both and work towards a $25. And I repeat until I have a couple of $60's+ waiting to play one so I always have a bigger race to go if I get hot.

I'm going to try this - current method is trying to get all 6 loaded at the level above before I go for it.

Takes hours to get all six $25 ready to go from the $5 level and then you run bad and you're back to the start again.

very interesting to read you, Chris ..
Thank you for sharing all this information .. Nice work

I'm playing the grand tour too, but starting from one dollar. I always lose at 12 dollars max.

I'm going to try leaving several games open. Great advice!!

Originally Posted by freeringo

I never knew you were such a grinder Chris. I enjoyed reading this thread.

I'm playing quite a bit right now Jeff but I have fallen in love with this game and have seriously grinded it over the last month. Wish you could join in!

Originally Posted by terryk

Great thread Chris,,,very informative and fascinating to be honest,keep it up!

I'll keep this going as I continue on the tour Terry. I love the game and hope everyone can get something out of this!

Originally Posted by Tomacco

very interesting to read you, Chris ..
Thank you for sharing all this information .. Nice work

I'm playing the grand tour too, but starting from one dollar. I always lose at 12 dollars max.

I'm going to try leaving several games open. Great advice!!

Grinding from the $1's is a tough go - best from ROI but horrible for an hourly win rate but I know people that have done it. Not many...but it is possible.

How many $1 sprints have you played?

As promised and a bit late, here are my updated stats going back to my very first sprint. Couple of things I'll comment on:

My win rate at the $5's has still come down but I'm stll trending above 25% so over 469 starts I'll take it. I would like to get that up closer to 30% but they can be crap shoots sometimes - as my first stake demonstrated. Having more 2nd's than 1st's is frustrating but there's a fair bit of variance in there. My KO rate has also come down and that's a lot to do with prioritizing the sprint over the KO - something I may toy with.

My win rate at the $12's is not over a big enough sample but having an almost equal number of 2nd through 4th's with a big bump on the wins is encouraging and something I hope continues. But getting to a $25 after only 10.3 $5 starts is a great stat if you consider that for every $12 win there were 16 entrants this is a good sign if it holds. Clearly either my style is better suited for the higher buy-ins or I'm playing tighter and winning more (which may be a sign for the $5's...)

Thoughts?

I forgot to update the biggest KO's as we did have the $133 on stream to cap off the first stake - I've updated that and will show on my next update.

Just won my first Grand Tour - from the $25 level... bizarre

Knocked out the guy in 3rd to get HU - then got the Final Sprint animation, KO'd the last guy next hand then was told I'd won!?

Won $146 and the guy I knocked out in 3rd was for a $21 bounty so maybe that was big enough.

I don't know - so odd.

Still had two proper $60 games left to play, both I got HU, got it in both times with 99 with even stacks and both times they had an overpair, brutal!

What may have happened is a small glitch in the game...

The intention is for you to play against people with similar bounties but sometimes at the $25 level if there aren't enough players in the $60 level...they pair 2 $60 bounties with 2 $25 bounties.

Mathematically there's no way for you to win the grand tour from the $25 level against 3 others in that level:

$25 bounty --> $12.50 to your bounty to get knocked out. If you take all three out that's only $37.50 to your bounty, so you had to have been against higher players and may not have realized it.

But whatever - take it! Congrats!

Originally Posted by jonnye01

Just won my first Grand Tour - from the $25 level... bizarre

Knocked out the guy in 3rd to get HU - then got the Final Sprint animation, KO'd the last guy next hand then was told I'd won!?

Won $146 and the guy I knocked out in 3rd was for a $21 bounty so maybe that was big enough.

I don't know - so odd.

Still had two proper $60 games left to play, both I got HU, got it in both times with 99 with even stacks and both times they had an overpair, brutal!

Originally Posted by CRStals

What may have happened is a small glitch in the game...

The intention is for you to play against people with similar bounties but sometimes at the $25 level if there aren't enough players in the $60 level...they pair 2 $60 bounties with 2 $25 bounties.

Mathematically there's no way for you to win the grand tour from the $25 level against 3 others in that level:

$25 bounty --> $12.50 to your bounty to get knocked out. If you take all three out that's only $37.50 to your bounty, so you had to have been against higher players and may not have realized it.

But whatever - take it! Congrats!

Yes mate I started with 14bb and they all had 28bb!

Originally Posted by jonnye01

Yes mate I started with 14bb and they all had 28bb!

That's definitely what happened then - no way you would ever start with that big of a deficit unless the bounties weren't level and a $25 and a $60 getting in there would explain it.

Thanks for confirming - very lucky!

On another quite unbelievable note

My wife has just asked what this game I keep playing is. Loads up her account and says she is going to have a go.

Loads ONE $5 game - WINS Grand Tour - WTF!?

Looks at me like some sort of idiot not knowing what's so hard about it all! haha ridiculous!

Originally Posted by jonnye01

Thanks for confirming - very lucky!

On another quite unbelievable note

My wife has just asked what this game I keep playing is. Loads up her account and says she is going to have a go.

Loads ONE $5 game - WINS Grand Tour - WTF!?

Looks at me like some sort of idiot not knowing what's so hard about it all! haha ridiculous!

Good for her! Just remember...

While this is a high variance, high reward format it does only take 1 sprint ultimately to win a grand tour.

Playing the tour is emblematic, sometimes it is good and other times the preference I still give is KO.

I prefer to play the sit and go or the ko

After grinding Grand Tour for the last two weeks I had a session today that might put an end to my time on the Tour!

Won 3 tours in the two weeks which was fun (been playing from the $5 level).

Today I played 100 $5 games

I won 9... NINE

I lost all 9 of the $12 games.

Game didn't change - just didn't win a hand for 5 hours lol

AA all in 20bb v AK... lose
KK lose etc etc

Extracting value in standard spots and they river gutshot etc

I lost with a straight flush in one pot to a higher one...

Realising you can have a -$421 session playing the $5 in a format where bounties should keep you somewhat alive during a bad session was pretty crushing.

Unsure whether to keep grinding - lost all enjoyment of it today.

Hello

I ve played grand tours on pokerstars from the start i won couple of them and i have some final races too

Before 6 days happened somthing to me two times in a row on the same race (25$)

On 19/8 i ve played my grand tour matches as usual i won 4 in an a row and i climb to 25$ race with bounty of 27$
And then pokerstars starts the table with 3players of 25$ race (27$ bounty each)
And a player of 60$ buy in (54$ bounty) something that means pokerstars give him double chip advantage vs us

On the next day again i won 4 race in a row and i am going to play my 25$ race with 32$ bountys
Then pokerstars put in a table of 60$ players (and the 3 players has more than 60$ bounties) they play final race if someone won the match they get paid but still i have to play another race after if i won . so pokerstars give them again double stack advantage and if i won someohow vs 3 double stacks i have to play again another game

I informed support either greek one and the english one and noone response to me
Also sent a twitter and message to support on twitter and still no respone and this is the 6th day


Idk if something like this happened to you or anyone?

Originally Posted by Chicungulla

I prefer to play the sit and go or the ko

This is just like a KO SnG with the exception that if you win the round you don't win your bounty - but the reward at the end is definitely worth it for the buy-ins that we'd be playing at. Even from the lower buy-ins I feel there's more profit here than in a standard KO SnG

Originally Posted by hartmann2508

Playing the tour is emblematic, sometimes it is good and other times the preference I still give is KO.

It's a high variance format no question but the added bounties make this a fascinating and fun format to play. However like straights, if you go chasing bounties you can have massive downswings