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kmichaels
Rock Star
Silver Level
Well, when a have a medium stack, i try to limp in by the cheaper way possible, and maybe i can hit the trio and probably win a nice pot. If i have a nice stack, more than 25bbs, i only make a pre-flop call if the raise is less than 2,5bb, otherwise i fold all time. When i have a short stack i just fold and wait for the right spot. I have seen a lot of players wasting all their stacks with hands like pocket pairs. They overestimate too much those hands. They are really dangerous, believe me.
rifflemao
Pugs Not Drugs
Silver Level
It's probably correct, especially if there is a big stack who may call you pretty wide, but sometimes you can get away with shoving early near the bubble. It's a gamble though because at best you have only a slight edge preflop.
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idromerom
Rising Star
Bronze Level
with a small pair in late phase of the tournament would be preferable to see a cheap flop, because if you do not get to connect Trio going to go down most of the time, that's just a factor, you should also consider those left play, the number of chips, playing a small pair can let out so you have to play cautiously and fold to any aggression if overcards on the table
babydrago9
Rock Star
Silver Level
You should always do the same bet youve been doing throughout the tourney. When late in a tourney my bets always a min bet, as im not wanting to play massive pots aswell as inducing calls with my monsters. But say your UTG with 55, min raising shows lots of strength, and so unless people have monsters they aren't 3 betting. Limping shows high weakness unless its from a well respected or known-tricky player. Just min raise looking for a set to win a good pot, if not you can just c-bet to win or just give up if you think your opponents hit, you only lose 2bbs anyway that way.
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locha2013
Rock Star
Silver Level
I think late in the tournement it's unnecessary to play low pocket pair, just because probably you don't hit the set and you don't can call any other raises and loose your blinds. I know big pots can slip through your fingers, but it's maybe better not to loose your blinds every time you get a small pocket pair. I carefully play only high cards late in the tournement and try to avoid aggressive playing. I wait betweenwhiles the other players get knocked out, who have a small stack.
But the question is what would you play when you are already satisfied with your rank.
But the question is what would you play when you are already satisfied with your rank.
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paperboy
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Personally, i don't like playing low pocket pairs if im not in a good position late in a tournament, especially if im under the gun. Normally i will play if im dealer, but late on i dont want to be throwing chips away by being forced to fold to a raise on the flop.
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sillymunchie
Visionary
Silver Level
wow alot of bad advice here with low PP :S
ok, its a myth that if you are in EP you should be limping in.....
unless you are deep stacked its bad play
if your first in the pot you should be the agressor
but in EP you risk being re raised
now if your opponents are exceptionally bad, then they will let you see a cheap flop and nobody will raise, but the more limpers the higer the raise will be, the higher the raise the less of a factor implied odds becomes.
Also from EP your out of position, so how do you play it?
do you get agressive if you hit a set, or slow play it?
if you slow play it what if it doesnt get raised?
how much are you going to get from your set realistically in an unopened pot?
so from EP your not looking to get involved
however when in late position, you have more info + opponents are more likely to raise before it gets to you from LP as a result you have implied odds, you can also see exactly how big the pot is before making your decision, and you have more options of "re raising, or flat call set mining"
depending on what your hoping to accomplish
ok, its a myth that if you are in EP you should be limping in.....
unless you are deep stacked its bad play
if your first in the pot you should be the agressor
but in EP you risk being re raised
now if your opponents are exceptionally bad, then they will let you see a cheap flop and nobody will raise, but the more limpers the higer the raise will be, the higher the raise the less of a factor implied odds becomes.
Also from EP your out of position, so how do you play it?
do you get agressive if you hit a set, or slow play it?
if you slow play it what if it doesnt get raised?
how much are you going to get from your set realistically in an unopened pot?
so from EP your not looking to get involved
however when in late position, you have more info + opponents are more likely to raise before it gets to you from LP as a result you have implied odds, you can also see exactly how big the pot is before making your decision, and you have more options of "re raising, or flat call set mining"
depending on what your hoping to accomplish
natsgrampy
Legend
Loyaler
Depends,
If I have a decent stack size, average say, I am staying out of the hand, or, limping if I think everyone behind me will limp or fold.
If I am short stacked, less than 10 BB, not adjusted for antes, I am shoving and give others a tough decision on whether to get their chips in or not.
If I have a decent stack size, average say, I am staying out of the hand, or, limping if I think everyone behind me will limp or fold.
If I am short stacked, less than 10 BB, not adjusted for antes, I am shoving and give others a tough decision on whether to get their chips in or not.
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vinnie82x
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I would sometimes put in a small call with low pairs,just see do i hit my third, and if not prob through them away,only if the raise was small i would call,and if i was realy low stack very low i would push all in on low pockets.
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Jeschant
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Found a pretty nice chart on likelihood someone else has higher pocket pair, depending on what you have. If the table is fairly tight at the time, I shove any of them when shortstacked hoping for the blinds or to win out against overcards and maybe double up. Although I will say that works out spectacularly bad for me often enough that I worry I'm missing something. Two callers is certainly no fun and a risk shoving from early with a short stack. http://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/texas-hold-em/probability-pairs/
Stefanicov
Legend
Silver Level
What in lords name is going on here.
If the blinds are huge as was stated by the op you don't limp with any hand full stop. You raise them hoping to either take down the blinds/antes or if u get called see a favourable flop that you can push a caller out of. If you get re raised you make a decision based on what you have seen from that player and whether you need to take a risk and try to double through.
If the blinds are huge as was stated by the op you don't limp with any hand full stop. You raise them hoping to either take down the blinds/antes or if u get called see a favourable flop that you can push a caller out of. If you get re raised you make a decision based on what you have seen from that player and whether you need to take a risk and try to double through.
steveiam
CardsChat Elite
Silver Level
+1 good answer
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sillymunchie
Visionary
Silver Level
Finally someone that agrees with my accessment
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The Nuder
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Huge compared to what? If you have a big stack why would you want to just take down the blinds? (with any hand)
spiderman637
RIP Buck
Silver Level
Hmmm thats a nice question. Earlier i used to play these low pocket pairs in early position at late stages quite often and these were terrible mistakes !!!
Some of my poker friends including few here at cards chat advised me strictly to steer clear off them at late stages. Even though i was bit reluctant initially to let them go off ,I took up their advice and it really did lot of good to my tournament career so far. I advice you too to steer clear off them.
Some of my poker friends including few here at cards chat advised me strictly to steer clear off them at late stages. Even though i was bit reluctant initially to let them go off ,I took up their advice and it really did lot of good to my tournament career so far. I advice you too to steer clear off them.
Jacki Burkhart
long winded rambler...
Silver Level
late in tourney implies to me that we are in a shortish stack situation....maybe you even have an average stack but your M may only be 10
if that is the case, I am going to muck small pairs in early position. I might open for my standard raise with 88+ UTG and 77+ in mid position and 55+ in late position.
that is until you get really short stacked and then you'll open shove 44+ or 55+ in almost any position
the real value in small pocket pairs is flopping a well disguised set and late in a tourney stacks are not deep enough to be set mining.
if that is the case, I am going to muck small pairs in early position. I might open for my standard raise with 88+ UTG and 77+ in mid position and 55+ in late position.
that is until you get really short stacked and then you'll open shove 44+ or 55+ in almost any position
the real value in small pocket pairs is flopping a well disguised set and late in a tourney stacks are not deep enough to be set mining.