Sounds like a standard MTT scenario where you got it in good on one hand earlier and lost. Then, short stacked, you decided to gamble it up a bit.
I think theory* would say this is marginally a fold in early position with 7 BBs and an ante.
Did the early beat affect your decision? Were you near the bubble? You also state that you weren't too concerned about this tourney and had other minor issues that made you take this line of play.
All in all, it doesn't seems like a terrible play, but it might be less than optimal play. I've done the same, but I do worry that it might make me take on bad habits or attitudes. However, your post here indicates you are on top of the situation; so all to the good.
Upshot, you didn't lose any money. Maybe extra time to min cash isn't worth the effort. OTOH, we all need practice - a bit of this a bit of that.
* I only consulted tables for convenience and didn't run an ICM, so my take on the situation needs to be further evaluated.
Yeah, it definitely made me play more nitty. In a good way though, I had an A7o before, decided not to play it and would have lost and been eliminated right then and there since someone had AK with an Ace on the board. I also had an A6o a few hands before that I also didn't play; those aren't great hands to play anyways so I was just waiting for the right hand to shove at that point.
I think I was eliminated pretty early on away from the bubble, like 50th place or something; I might have folded if I was closer to the bubble.
But yeah, definitely didn't lose anything which is good; I just wanted to know if I made the right decision for future reference if I find myself in a similar situation in a
real money mtt. You're right, practice never hurts, that's why I'm always seeking advice here and everywhere else I can to improve my game.
I got you, thanks for the input. I need to learn and study ICM myself.
The decision to shove a hand or to pay a shove preflop from a rival is one of the most important in a tournament, as the shove basically defines his life in the game.
We usually define short stacks when we have less than 7 or 8 big blinds, turbo tournament for example, or 10 to 12 big blinds in regular tournaments. Of course it's not a comfortable stack in regular tournaments, but it's a stack that still allows us to maneuver, like a mini-raise / fold.
We should also consider how much our stack can hurt the other players at the table, this information is important because if most of the players are deep (with lots of chips), the chance of them paying their all in "just to see" or thinking " it will not cost much, will I eliminate it "is higher (which can be good, if we are with a strong hand, but this also makes us prone to take more bad beats, as it was in your case, but I would have taken the same decision...
Yeah, I figure he or the other deep chip stack was gonna call me since it costed them next to nothing. I guess the lesson is to avoid being short stacked which is hard because of the variance in mtts.
You need to look at 'push-fold charts'.
these charts claim to have the best odds (given position and ante, including icm effects).
I found in cc freerolls, need to be a bit more tight, depending how oppoonents play.
Yeah, I downloaded a few and have been studying some. Looking at one titled 'Pushing Ranges 10bb', A5o was not highlighted under the 'UTG+1' chart, so I guess it was not the right play? Or maybe I'm reading the chart wrong.
at the end I always prefer to shake my game. For me A5 is a good hand but I prefer to avoid paying too much to see this flop especially close to the goal.
That's usually how I am. I wasn't close to the bubble in this scenario.
You did the right thing, but you just had no luck with the opponent. He had a big stack and he did not risk anything to remove you from the table.
Yeah, that's what it seemed like.
If i play tournaments, sometimes i have like 20-30 hands when i get dealted a hand that noone plays. That means you lose some of ur chip stack by blinds + antes. Yesterday when i played CC freeroll same happend. Then i waited for good hand to shove rest of my chips. Lost with AK. Waiting for good hand to shove ur chips is good, but that doesnt guarantee your win.
That's true, playing to passive will get you eliminated quick.
Having a short stack in any tournament sucks, but you've got to learn to deal with it. Don't let yourself get hung up on this exact hand. That the chip leader called you from position with a garbage hand and he hit on the turn, ...well, that sucks but don't let it get you down. Besides, even if you'd won that pot you'd have 14-16 BB and you'd be forced to shove again soon after.
I say play more aggressively. When you make a hand in these freeroll tournaments, get your chips in there! Players will call off their entire stack with 2nd pair or worse! Don't be afraid to "scare someone out of the pot" when you have a big hand. Get the chips in good and you'll have more power down the line.
Do NOT wait for big hands to come to you. I'm not saying "play any two." I'm saying that you've got to have a wider range in these freeroll tournaments in order to realize your equity. Get in there and bet! Jam with two pair on the flop. Jam with a made flush. Jam whenever you've got something juicy where another player can call with worse. Build your stack and you won't have to worry about getting it in with 7BB.
Good luck!!
Thanks good advice! This is usually how I approach my sessions but whenever I get hit with a bad beat like I did earlier, it's usually not long until I'm out of the tourney. I try to play aggressive with marginal hands and in position as much as possible. I'll even
bluff steal a pot every now and then. Widening your range can definitely help get you deeper in mtts if you play them right.
Thanks again, I'll continue grinding and playing aggressively and not let this affect my game in the least. Good luck as well!
I think it played right, your opponent was lucky to have hit 8 on the board, I would play the same way.
Yeah he definitely did but I think he made the right play as well since it didn't cost him much to take me out of the tourney.
I never recovered after that.
