Flop
I really don't like checking back a set on this flop. To me this is fancy play syndrome. You say, you want him to catch up, so he can pay you later, but there are loads on hands, that can pay you now, including top pair, which he can certainly have, and which you dont block. There are also some draws, which you want to charge now, while they will still pay you. You dont have to blast it, but anything between 1/3 and 1/2 pot is way better than checking back.
True, TP likely calls here OOP against a flop lead most of the time to protect TP. Also, given that they're defending my open pre, they could be defending with a wide range of hands, including Ax as already mentioned, and hands like 35 and 57, where many turn cards can be both good and bad for both of us in the hand, killing the potential for extracting more chips.
Also, as it's a PKO, I "WANT" to be building a pot earlier, as people are playing those differently than regular tournaments. Bounties have a big influence on how you play your hands.
Turn
You obviously need to bet now, and given, that the board got wetter, I think, your sizing is to small. He will call half pot with just about the same hands, as he will call this size. When he check-raise, you face an interesting decision. You could jam, but this would look super strong, and given that it would be for more than full pot, he is almost certainly going to fold his draws, which you do not want, since they are drawing dead.
So overall I do think, its ok to just call, but I slightly prefer to make a very exploitable play by clicking him back. I would never do this as a bluff, and this will probably be obvious to him, but at the same time I dont think, he would be able to get away from a draw, trips or even just AX, and your hand is super underrepped after checking back flop. So as played I would make it like 5.000 with the intention to get the rest in on the river, if he dont jam himself now.
Yes, in thinking about it, I think the bigger mistake for me was not clicking back, and just calling. I only lose to Aces, which I'm never putting him/her on, and if they do happen to have 4x, which after thinking about it and reading the comments here, is VERY possible, I should have just piled.
The pre flop raise is fine along with the sizing. I am ok with the flop check. I am not sure I would have done it in game and there is chance villain has Ax that we can start getting value from but there is nothing on this flop that scares me because villain should not be calling a raise with many 53 or 57 combos unless they are suited. Maybe they are a staunch blind defender and I dont know that here but I am not worried about the possible straight draw. Betting is fine and like I said, I probably would have here but you will get a lot folds doing it too so no problem with the check.
On the turn is where it gets interesting. I like the sizing (although I would not go any smaller) and we get check raised. Here I would be thinking either Ax, a 4 or an airball. I think it is important to realize what each of these hands would do if we call here. The airball is checking river, the Ax is most likely checking river but may bet, and the 4 should lead again. However, if we re-raise here villain might actually call with all those including the airball. They might think they can do a move where they call your raise and then lead into you on the river to scare you. They will definitely call your raise with the 4 and probably with the Ace. Thinking of it this way shows us that we get more value by re-raising here then just calling since many villains will not raise and fold on the same street. Re-raising 2-2.5x here would be the move that I would recommend for getting max value. Also note I am not saying to raise here to protect our hand or because I saw the results, I am raising here to get more value and want villain to call my raise.
See what I said above, I am leaning to agreeing that my mistake was not shoving after the check-raise.
This issue with checking is, that it cancel one betting round, which makes it very difficult to get stacks inside. We basically rely on Villian to either bet or check-raise us on the turn, and if he does neither of that, we will only be able to get at most two bets out of him. Its different, if Hero is out of position, because then checking might induce Villain to bet the flop.
Also while 75s and 53s should be the only strong draws in his range, loads of different hands can have a gutshot or backdoor into a straight or flush, so protection is not a trivial concern with a set even on a relatively dry flop like this. And even if a bad runout like 4s6cAh-7h-8h might not always give Villain a better hand, it will kill action.
Totally agree - the dream scenario DID occur in that villain gave us the chance to get stacks in, and I didn't take it. I mean, I still lose the hand in the end, but I think I would have felt better had I got my chips in good.
KO tournament , I just never check-back OTF with hand, good enough for All in. No sense at all. If you want to play "fancy", just make a small bet. Annoying bet. 666, something, like this.
Yes, good point!!! Why SHOULD I check back a hand where I WANT to get your chips? You put that very well, thanks for your input.
I agree with most of the comments already (would have bet the flop and re-raised turn).
One comment I'd challenge is discounting 4's in his range due to calling the preflop raise - with ante's, a very small raise size (call is only 480 into 1730) and the fact he covers you in a PKO, he can call many hands.
Yes, 4x COULD defend for sure.
Once again I am convinced that you should not slowplay at Pokerstars. Crazy bad beat turned out.
I don't get into this "PokerStars is rigged" stuff. It happens online and live.
Of course there is a hint on the turn that the villain has a 4 or A … It's only hard to fold.
Especially if you look at the fact that the villain A has a full house that loses to the hero's full house, then it is simply unrealistic to fold.
Yes, for sure I had them on Ax, and with all the comments so far, my mistake was not shoving on the turn after the check-raise.
there are situations that seem like bad luck, but I was analyzing my games that I lost like that and I came that it was me who was playing wrong!
To some degree, I feel I misplayed the hand, not because of the result, but more because of WHEN the chips went in. They should have gone in MUCH sooner than they did, and not because of a miracle river card for villain, because if the 4 doesn't hit, I don't know if they pay me off if I shove. Sure, it's VERY possible, given that they likely NOT putting me on 66, as my UTG raise includes more Ax hands, and overpairs than 66.
I appreciate everyones' feedback on this hand, the different perspectives are REALLY helpful, and will hopefully serve me well in the future.