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How would you play med pocket pairs in position when facing a big open bet in a micro sng when villain bets 140 would you 3bet or opt to call just opt to call say blinds are 20/40 and your holding 99 what would you do
 
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i would just call but fold if i dnt hit 9 on flop
 
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You´ve got to be ready to face Aces, King, Queens, JJ and TT, besides AK, AQ and AJ. You will have to figure what cards he might have after seeing the flop and wait for his action after flop.
 
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I would use the call 20 in this spot, like philthy said it depends on stack sizes. Also depends on your villain.
 
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I lose with a middle paired set on board to a higher set. Also too many times higher 2 pair options have drawn out. If you play them call in and good luck if you catch.
 
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1st consideration: your opponent's image. Is he a donk or reg-ish? what are his usual open raise sizings? A donk could be open raising 3.5x with Axs or KJo type of hand. Donks can do pretty much everything. A more experienced player would probably use either that kind of betting to protect his equity (on 77-JJ type of hands), or raising for value (QQ+, AQ, AK). You should just take notes on every player on how they size their bettings and raises when they're betting for value, for protection or for bluff, specially regulars.

2nd consideration: stack sizes. Depending on stack sizes, he could just be bullying smaller stacks. Also stack sizes will tell you if set mining is a profitable option. The call 20 rule above mentioned means that: you only call small-mid pairs with the intention of set mining if both you and your opponents have 20 times the value of the original raise. Which means that under that value, the set mining is unprofitable. But on sit and gos, specially fast, people apply the call 15 (call if you and your opponent have 15x the value of the original raise).

3rd consideration: position on the table. Is the raise coming from early position? Mid? Late? BU? You could arguably 3-bet or even shove (under 20 BB) these types of bets coming from the CO or BU, not so much coming from UTG. Golden rule: only play 88-TT post flop out of position if you are 100% certain you have a serious skill edge to take it post flop. Otherwise, set mining if the stacks are deep enough, or shove if you are short stacked.
 
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I would use the call 20 in this spot, like philthy said it depends on stack sizes. Also depends on your villain.

You can't call if you think he's got a big pair. Either you think he has a big ace or maybe a big king. So if you do call, then any board with <= 9 that misses him is good. If he's got a big pair you don't have odds to call unless 3 others already call. They say you generally want 6:1 for set mining.

That said, there's times I shove if I think he's stealing here, but it depends. 9's and 10's are funky hands to play, even J's can be.
 
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You can't call if you think he's got a big pair. Either you think he has a big ace or maybe a big king. So if you do call, then any board with <= 9 that misses him is good. If he's got a big pair you don't have odds to call unless 3 others already call. They say you generally want 6:1 for set mining.

That said, there's times I shove if I think he's stealing here, but it depends. 9's and 10's are funky hands to play, even J's can be.

I agree here too you get to a table with someone that keeps stealing blinds or is a donk there is a greater chance of gaining off that middle pair.
 
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Depends on many things like villain persona, stack size, position, implied odds, etc.

Set mining is good if you know style of opponents.
 
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You can't call if you think he's got a big pair. Either you think he has a big ace or maybe a big king. So if you do call, then any board with <= 9 that misses him is good. If he's got a big pair you don't have odds to call unless 3 others already call. They say you generally want 6:1 for set mining.

That said, there's times I shove if I think he's stealing here, but it depends. 9's and 10's are funky hands to play, even J's can be.
you can call to set-mine if stacks are deep enough since you're getting proper implied odds.
 
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1st consideration: your opponent's image. Is he a donk or reg-ish? what are his usual open raise sizings? A donk could be open raising 3.5x with Axs or KJo type of hand. Donks can do pretty much everything. A more experienced player would probably use either that kind of betting to protect his equity (on 77-JJ type of hands), or raising for value (QQ+, AQ, AK). You should just take notes on every player on how they size their bettings and raises when they're betting for value, for protection or for bluff, specially regulars.

2nd consideration: stack sizes. Depending on stack sizes, he could just be bullying smaller stacks. Also stack sizes will tell you if set mining is a profitable option. The call 20 rule above mentioned means that: you only call small-mid pairs with the intention of set mining if both you and your opponents have 20 times the value of the original raise. Which means that under that value, the set mining is unprofitable. But on sit and gos, specially fast, people apply the call 15 (call if you and your opponent have 15x the value of the original raise).

3rd consideration: position on the table. Is the raise coming from early position? Mid? Late? BU? You could arguably 3-bet or even shove (under 20 BB) these types of bets coming from the CO or BU, not so much coming from UTG. Golden rule: only play 88-TT post flop out of position if you are 100% certain you have a serious skill edge to take it post flop. Otherwise, set mining if the stacks are deep enough, or shove if you are short stacked.

I agree with this statement 100%… could not word it better, very well said!
 
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I wouldn't 3 bet them. But I would probably call (depends on our stack sizes and their demeanor).
 
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How would you play med pocket pairs in position when facing a big open bet in a micro sng when villain bets 140 would you 3bet or opt to call just opt to call say blinds are 20/40 and your holding 99 what would you do

Any information as to the Villain playing style at this point?
 
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99 is more powerful preflop...doesn't play so well post flop if you don't catch a 9. You have to take chances to win at some point, and 99 is a pretty good starting hand.
 
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