This is a discussion on This is how you should not play SNGs within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; America's Cardroom - $1.50 Regular 6-Max - Level 4 (50/100) - No Limit Holdem
Hero (BB) (t4,422)
SB posts the small blind of t50
*** TURN *** 9♠5♥J♠ 9♥ Q♠
SB bets t1,000, Hero raises to t2,964 and is all-in, SB calls t1,717 and is all-in
Hero shows J♥J♣ and won t8,350
SB shows K♥10♦ and lost t4,175
I just played this hand in a 6-max, and I would like to hold it up as the worst example of ICM suicide I've ever seen. Notice that this is the bubble, and BTN has 4bb, while me and SB both have massive stacks. We're both virtually guaranteed to cash as long we don't do something really dumb, and he goes and chases a gutshot on a paired board and calls off his entire stack when it hits. If this was someone here, I'm sorry for making fun of you, but seriously guys, never do anything like this.
:O! I learned it from this post! thanks! (Now I need more tighter than before... I think I should even fold AA on preflop when bubble reaches...)
Really? I suppose if your only goal is to cash then maybe. But who wants that? I want to win. I will never fold it. Have I been bitten by my strategy? Sure. But I'm up as a whole from it I can assure you.
he could've been trying to steal your BB preflop.... when you raised he called hoping to outplay u on the flop or hit something... or thought maybe u were just defending
he could've been raising the flop hoping you'd fold (fold equity?), but if u call hopefully hit his K or Q and get some chips... continuing with his preflop "representing"
you raised him, signifying at least AJ.... maybe trips. or, with your preflop raise, an overpair... he called (when here i wouldve folded; 800+ is 20% of my stack for a draw on the bubble.... actually, not sure i'd play k10 oop...)
when the turn came the 2nd 9 and you checked is the beauty part of the whole hand.... your check tells him that you likely don't have 9's or full house.... so probably AJ... or QQ+
when the river completes my straight i bet hoping you call with AJ or a 3rd 9.... when you shove, i crap my pants... but it's too late and i feel committed
the check on the turn was the beauty play, imo... if you would've raised again, he (hopefully) would've folded... the check shows a little weakness and illicts the raise from him on the river...
i'm still a relatively new player, so my opinion might mean bupkis.. i'm trying to get more into thinking what they might be thinking and i like this sample hand for that reason....
Imho sometimes people take these situations too seriously...i could give the op merit if it were a $20+ buy in ..maybe even 10$...but on a $1.50. Honestly that's so minuscule thatis the guys wife might've been givingme him shit and he wanted to just end it quick or win it quick...i mean shit, at that buy in a tv show or movie might've been coming on he wanted to see...
I play those SnG's once in a while when I see them in the lobby, they're pretty soft. I've been picking off a lot of bluffs that were so obviously bluffs, it's a lot of fun when they flip over something like 42o that they were trying to push you around with and couldn't put their foot on the brake when you wouldn't fold.
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I guess you completely neglected the rest of my post....Ummm??
I did read the rest. I usually only quote selectively, if at all, in order to keep things concise. In the rest of your statement, you provided examples of why the player may not have been taking the situation seriously, but you didn't clarify why you think that "people take these situations too seriously", in general. Regardless of why another player makes a particular decision, why shouldn't other players take it seriously, and how do you define "taking it seriously"? If I know that an opponent is capable of making decisions as described, then I will take it seriously and make adjustments in how I play against that player.
The fact of the matter is that you were all criticizing the players moves in a 1.50 buy in. Aka taking the situation seriously. I then stated a few examples..which would be the "reasons" why the situation could be being taken too seriously. Fact of the matter is there are thousands of reasons why a player might need to quickly end such an unimportant game, but people are acting like the guy was playing for something which he staked a decent amount of cash into and thus should have been playing to the top of his abilities. This thread is criticizing how a player was playing, therefor idk what point you are trying to make...because I will reiterate..the seriousness of which you are taking a players "strategies" in a "1.50" buyin are kind of "ridiculous"...and btw you are still taking the ENTIRE situation too serious IMHO.
I wasn't trying to make a point. I was asking if you could clarify the point that you were trying to make, which you have done.
I agree with you, in that the posted hand is more of an "lol" moment than a "serious analysis" moment.
That said, I do think that it is important to take note of opponents who are capable of making such imprudent plays, because their play can be exploited to our benefit. If a player is doing this type of thing consistently, then I think it is safe to attribute it to poor play, rather than some outlying, anomalous influence that we are unaware of. I can only "lolwtf" so many times before I buckle down and say, "Okay, I'm playing as many hands as I can against this person, because they're spewing chips/money." The individual hands that get me to this conclusion don't exactly require deep analysis. But, as a whole, they can paint a picture of how best to capitalize on those occurrences.
Yes. Probably your check on second nine showed to sb your weakness. Bubble situation keep him no chances to fold. In the other hand, straight in this situation was not bad. You obviously could bluf on him or raise with QQ+ in this case, he played right after your check.
To conclude I want say - nice hand you got, and nice realization you made.