Hey. Even 5 years ago for a comfortable online game in MTT, 100 buy-ins were enough for a limit. A 100 buy-in bankroll that was supposedly impossible to lose (if you have good skills) is not enough at the moment. Someone is currently using 200-300 buy-ins in MTT, and someone 500. I’m interested to know how many buy-ins you use in MTT, Sit and Go to play plus at a certain limit.

There is a structure of in-game buy-ins in each action. It's forbidden for everyone to see. Artificial intelligence loses.

100 buy ins for any experienced player is standard...now many variations have arrisen over the years just as you already pointed out. Personally, I would say between the 100 and 200 range for MTT's and for SNG's I would say about 20? 10-15 should really be enough for a good player but I think 20 accounts for some variance and should be plenty. Working on a bankroll right now from nothing, so far have turned $0 into a few freeroll victories, ran into micro SNG's and up to $27 in about 5 days, thats also playing a few events i knew i shouldnt and a few losing cash sessions in between. overall ive probably rolled $35 - $38 over but im sitting on $27 right now. Good start for me, discipline is my toughest role - but i am improving every day. Hope some of this helped you?

I don't necessarily do "x-amount of buy-in's". I just have a general rule I follow. I wont put more than 1% of my bankroll on the table at any given time.

Managed to turn $1000 into close to $1400 in almost 30 days now.

If you use the 1% rule, the nice thing is you are never playing on scared money.

I like this tactic and I like it in a similar way. I always watch that I have at least 100 buy in and out of that tournament. If I have $ 100 in the bankroll then I play $ 1 buy-in tournaments. And so, in such a way. I think it's the best tactic to not experience a bigger tilt. Every recommendation! I am so happy and I am constantly progressing with this tactic.

It really depends on the size of the player pool and your ROI. The more players the higher the variance. If you are playing on stars I would say 200 buyins minimum for MTTs but if you are playing elsewhere 100 should be enough providing you have a solid ROI.
Here is a simulation of 2000 games played with ABI of $1.10 with an ROI of 15%


You will notice you have a 30% chance of running at a loss even with a positive ROI.

If we use a similar structure for a 300 player field we have a greatly reduced probablility of running a loss of 10%



Just something to think about

you can use the variance simulator here https://www.primedope.com/tournament...ce-calculator/

Originally Posted by scaleyback

It really depends on the size of the player pool and your ROI. The more players the higher the variance. If you are playing on stars I would say 200 buyins minimum for MTTs but if you are playing elsewhere 100 should be enough providing you have a solid ROI.
Here is a simulation of 2000 games played with ABI of $1.10 with an ROI of 15%


You will notice you have a 30% chance of running at a loss even with a positive ROI.

If we use a similar structure for a 300 player field we have a greatly reduced probablility of running a loss of 10%



Just something to think about

you can use the variance simulator here https://www.primedope.com/tournament-variance-calculator/

Thanks. Very helpful information.

It also depends on the tournament structures and the time between levels. I would say between 100 and 200 .

Tournaments are an entirely different mindset. I don't have much experience with them. Honestly, I think tournaments are more a bunch of BS and luck. All it is really is a big slot machine on the table, especially early when idiots are looking to double-up or rebuy right before the late registration ends.

Tournaments in my opinion are too much gambling. I play smaller level live ones several times a week and there are people that have no idea what they are doing and win. Not taking away from anyone if they enjoy them, just in my opinion not my thing.

As far as buy-ins for tournaments though, yeah, Id agree with the post above in at least 200.

Without the buyins how do you participate in the tourneys?

Originally Posted by throughstruggle

Hey. Even 5 years ago for a comfortable online game in MTT, 100 buy-ins were enough for a limit. A 100 buy-in bankroll that was supposedly impossible to lose (if you have good skills) is not enough at the moment. Someone is currently using 200-300 buy-ins in MTT, and someone 500. I’m interested to know how many buy-ins you use in MTT, Sit and Go to play plus at a certain limit.

It is often very difficult to resist the desire to try your hand at higher limits. Why not try it if you are doing well at your limit and you have caught the upstream? Or vice versa, if you lose, then maybe you should try to quickly recoup at the higher limit and restore the bankroll? But all these are temptations to be resisted. Never play outside your bankroll, no matter how much you want it, otherwise very soon you will see zero on your balance sheet. No player wants to play at micro limits, but most often it is with them that you will have to start your journey, so you should put up with this and stock up on discipline.How to understand that your bankroll is ready for a higher limit? First of all, it depends on the format you have chosen. For example, MTT (multi-table tournaments) is a format with greater dispersion than cash games. A large win in one MTT does not mean that you immediately need to run to a higher limit. As a general rule, the greater the variance in your chosen game format, the more BI you will need in a bankroll. The more players, the greater the variance.Online MTT (multi-table tournaments): 150-300 BI 1.10 $ - 165-330 $ 5.50 $ - 825-1650 $ 11 $ - 1650 $ -3300 $ $ 22 - $ 3,300-$ 6,600 33 $ - 4950 $ -9900 $

I play tournaments for $ 11 and often play setelites for $ 1-2-3-4

I follow this rule: 200x buy-ins for regular MTTs, 400x buy-ins for turbo mtts, 800x bui-ins for hyper turbo mtts.

This is a bankroll management used by ALLin PAV, a professional poker player.

Originally Posted by throughstruggle

Hey. Even 5 years ago for a comfortable online game in MTT, 100 buy-ins were enough for a limit. A 100 buy-in bankroll that was supposedly impossible to lose (if you have good skills) is not enough at the moment. Someone is currently using 200-300 buy-ins in MTT, and someone 500. I’m interested to know how many buy-ins you use in MTT, Sit and Go to play plus at a certain limit.

I keep a minimum of 100 buyins for sng, if playing MTT I like to have 200 in my bankroll

Jonathan Little has some really good posts on this in his book Mastering Small Stakes Poker where he had charts and all that good stuff.

In my opinion it matters what makes you feel both comfortable, and stimulated. Don't want to be bored and don't want to be stressed out... otherwise you'll be missing 'the zone'

Originally Posted by Evan Jarvis

I keep a minimum of 100 buyins for sng, if playing MTT I like to have 200 in my bankroll

Jonathan Little has some really good posts on this in his book Mastering Small Stakes Poker where he had charts and all that good stuff.

In my opinion it matters what makes you feel both comfortable, and stimulated. Don't want to be bored and don't want to be stressed out... otherwise you'll be missing 'the zone'

Interestingly, have you ever lost all 200 buy-ins while playing tournaments?

well I always look to play tournaments with free entry once I build my bank I start to play tournaments with entry value to play tickets of $ 10 or $ 5 depends on my bank

Originally Posted by throughstruggle

Hey. Even 5 years ago for a comfortable online game in MTT, 100 buy-ins were enough for a limit. A 100 buy-in bankroll that was supposedly impossible to lose (if you have good skills) is not enough at the moment. Someone is currently using 200-300 buy-ins in MTT, and someone 500. I’m interested to know how many buy-ins you use in MTT, Sit and Go to play plus at a certain limit.

I like to use 100 buyins.

Originally Posted by throughstruggle

Interestingly, have you ever lost all 200 buy-ins while playing tournaments?

No, because if I ever drop say 50 buyins down then i start playing lower limits.

It's a shifting scale so that I'm always having 200 buyins minimum for whatever the average buyin i'm playing is.

Good question tho!

In tournament poker, I noticed one pattern. If I start making re-entrances, I will still cure the tournament very soon. And vice versa, if the game starts to go in a quality manner, then without any re-entry I get into the prizes.

I think 100 buyins should be enough. There are also people who recommend just 50.

But you can adjust, depending on what tourneys you play. If you play a lot of turbos or even faster MTTs then you will need more than in regular structures.

The most important thing is that you feel comfortable with your bankroll and do not play under pressure...

I like 150/200
buy-ins.
it's a pretty safe margin

Originally Posted by Lenka65

In tournament poker, I noticed one pattern. If I start making re-entrances, I will still cure the tournament very soon. And vice versa, if the game starts to go in a quality manner, then without any re-entry I get into the prizes.

See the results of completed re-entry tournaments. Players win such tournaments by making 2-3 re-entries. And it happens quite often.

I have a maximum of 2 buy-ins for tournaments.

I find the best way to get in the money is to enter game as late as possible. Am I wrong?

I think between 100 and 200 but it depends on the level of the tournament and the time between levels.

Most of the tournaments I play are free and the sit and go 0.25 bucks. today win a sit and go and collect 3.23 dollar. I am happy

I haven't particularly worried about how many buy-ins I have yet. Even so, my biggest goal in Poker is leisure. If I ever start playing professionally, I will reconsider.

100-200 freeroll

I still believe 100 buyins is fine if you adjust to your swings accordingly. When you run bad you move down and when you run good you move up. It still should be pretty hard to bust a bankroll doing it this way. I think the problem is people never want to adjust down

Good morning everyone.
I play sit gos, I play zoom cash game and I play $ 1.10, $ 2.20 and $ 3.30 mtts.
I believe that 50 buyins is enough to increase my bankroll.
I'm watching some nl $ 500 cash game zoom players to learn, and one player said something that makes a lot of sense, he said that if you want to be an excellent player, you have to choose a style of play and study and practice just that game, he said that when he started playing poker he played everything and then decided to just play cash games.
And the problem is that I really enjoy playing these 3 types of poker.
It is not part of the question, but the weight of the nl $ 500 players is impressive, he explains the play and wins with hands that I do not play, at nl $ 2.
I think I learned to play poker, but I am a long way from that level.
The Brazilian player that I see playing at nl $ 500, uses the nick zinhão, very technical.

I also think that 100 buy-ins are just what you need. But how many times has he already burned out due to the fact that I can not resist, and I do not play tournaments on bankroll

For me a comfortable size are 200 buy-ins, give me a formidable range of tilts and bad bits might happen on the way.

Originally Posted by AdonisPimenta

For me a comfortable size are 200 buy-ins, give me a formidable range of tilts and bad bits might happen on the way.

I don't know if 200, it seems like a lot to me, but between 100 and 150 I think it's ok to play with peace of mind

Originally Posted by Sebarios59

I don't know if 200, it seems like a lot to me, but between 100 and 150 I think it's ok to play with peace of mind

We keep it in the middle...150...

you usually have to use which tournament you want to play for a period before you buy. in my case i'm playing 1.50 18p and i'm putting together some money to make a buy of 150 to play 100 tournaments and make a profit of less than 40 or more tournaments and thus raise my limit.

I also agree, it's not about being technical with the BI but having that balanced approach seems pertinent!

Originally Posted by Evan Jarvis

I keep a minimum of 100 buyins for sng, if playing MTT I like to have 200 in my bankroll

Jonathan Little has some really good posts on this in his book Mastering Small Stakes Poker where he had charts and all that good stuff.

In my opinion it matters what makes you feel both comfortable, and stimulated. Don't want to be bored and don't want to be stressed out... otherwise you'll be missing 'the zone'

It’s depends the structure of the tournament but I think that 100 buy in is good number 🙂

Sorry for my english 😬

The 100 buy in rule is a very old rule, I remember hearing about it 15 years ago or so. Maybe this was a good rule for smaller tourney fields like the WPT with Gus Hansen
Nowaday with the huge fields on Stars I see buy-in rules / opinions of even 500-1000.
But you have to be a winning player, because you lose it anyway if youre not and then you don't really need a rule.
And you also dont need a mtt bankroll rule, if you have a lot of other income - thats called cash flow

Originally Posted by throughstruggle

See the results of completed re-entry tournaments. Players win such tournaments by making 2-3 re-entries. And it happens quite often.

Players don't win because they re-enter. They have essentially lost one tournament and started another (with a shallower stack at that). The reason most people do this is to put in a larger volume of games played. These players are the grinders, so it is normal to often see them at the top of the list

Originally Posted by scaleyback

It really depends on the size of the player pool and your ROI. The more players the higher the variance. If you are playing on stars I would say 200 buyins minimum for MTTs but if you are playing elsewhere 100 should be enough providing you have a solid ROI.
Here is a simulation of 2000 games played with ABI of $1.10 with an ROI of 15%


You will notice you have a 30% chance of running at a loss even with a positive ROI.

If we use a similar structure for a 300 player field we have a greatly reduced probablility of running a loss of 10%



Just something to think about

you can use the variance simulator here https://www.primedope.com/tournament-variance-calculator/

Thanks

To me it's a minimum of 200 buy-ins at low stakes , 300 at medium stakes , and 400 at high.
This should give you confident state of mind , less tilt , and better results in the long run.
But in the end everyone has his own strategies .

I like too have at least 150-200, but I play mostly large field mtts and they tell me it
is not enough. last 25 tourneys I played I did not make a final table. It really is a grind
when the fields are so large. 3000 + players

I do 100 buy-ins for around 45 person sit n go style and 150-200 for MTT depending on field size.

How you approach the game makes a difference. Do you go the high variance route or low? If you are aiming for min cash first than moving up, your variance might be much smaller than someone attacking before the bubble.

A lower variance means you need less buy ins, but also cap your upside to a lower amount.