vs btn #2 in chips open shoves

payout
1-123
2-88
3-67
4-50

i saw him reshove 88, but he's not stealing that quite, he is folding some of his btn

JJ should I fold ICM perspective? or JJ is just too strong in this spot, i will just not be results oriented, this is always get it in spot much more vs his hand.


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Schmidt86 (UTG): 170,607 (2 bb)
Duduca_ (BU): 768,844 (10 bb)
OLLINN888 (SB): 614,450 (8 bb)
beaggro (BB): 921,599 (12 bb)

Pre-Flop: (152,000) Hero (beaggro) is BB with J♥ J♠
1 fold, Duduca_ (BU) raises to 760,844 (all-in), 1 fold, beaggro (BB) calls 680,844

Flop: (1,593,688) A♦ 2♦ 3♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (1,593,688) 8♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (1,593,688) T♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 1,593,688

Showdown:
Duduca_ (BU) shows A♣ 8♦ (two pair, Aces and Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 29%, Flop: 95%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

beaggro (BB) shows J♥ J♠ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 71%, Flop: 5%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

Duduca_ (BU) wins 1,593,688

With stacks this short you need to call with hands a lot worse than JJ, even when someone is running on fumes, as was the case here. Maybe you can fold a small pair like 22-66, but JJ is a snap call, and its not even a decision. Also you were ahead, when the chips went in, so as my friend Jon Poker would have said: Would you have had questions about this hand, if you had won it? Presumably not and then you are basically worrying about a random runout.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

With stacks this short you need to call with hands a lot worse than JJ, even when someone is running on fumes, as was the case here. Maybe you can fold a small pair like 22-66, but JJ is a snap call, and its not even a decision. Also you were ahead, when the chips went in, so as my friend Jon Poker would have said: Would you have had questions about this hand, if you had won it? Presumably not and then you are basically worrying about a random runout.

Just need confirmation, because i saw bencb folding AQ, and i saw lex folding KQ 7bb because there is one player who have 2bb but it is a $5200 scoop Final Table so maybe it’s a huge difference

AQ and especially KQ perform a lot worse in an all-in preflop scenario than JJ. KQ I would probably have folded in this spot, since it is behind to random crap like the A8 offsuit, which I expect Villain to show up with a lot. From the perspective of Villain I might not also jam that aggressively here, since there is so much incentive for everyone to let the short stack face the blinds next.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

AQ and especially KQ perform a lot worse in an all-in preflop scenario than JJ. KQ I would probably have folded in this spot, since it is behind to random crap like the A8 offsuit, which I expect Villain to show up with a lot. From the perspective of Villain I might not also jam that aggressively here, since there is so much incentive for everyone to let the short stack face the blinds next.

This makes a lot of sense

JJ is gonna perform
So much better than AQ and KQ, bec I already have a pair which we assume i’m way ahead of any AX and most of the time he will have 3 outer rather than 6

Thank you so much fundiver,

Another scenario in case I have AJ AQ and KQ can i Fold because I think minimum I can finish 2nd by just using my stack to open shove instead of calling?