Do you need skills or is it a lottery, Hyper tournaments

[jj77jwj]

It's all about the luck on the cards you get especially when your playing online poker it's about strategy too of course but if you are getting the cards you need and you know how to manage your chip stack you are good to go I thinks its 50 percent luck and 50 percent skill that's poker for ya

 

[quick]

For whatever reason I do better in hyper-turbo MTTs than Turbo or regular speed MTTs. Granted I still have cashes in all three formats and at least 20% ITM in all three but my deepest runs and final tables seem to be hyper-turbos.

I think push/fold play comes into effect much sooner in hyper turbos so you've got to be willing to get in a wider range especially when RFI. Too many players fold hands they should be pushing when in late position with no pushes ahead of them in these. And on flip side, a lot of players re-shove over pushes with hands that work well as RFI shoves but not as re-shoves.

 

[donpiatnik]

I wonder if you need skills or is it plain luck to win hyper tournaments, with blinds raising every 2 minutes long waits for decent hand easily eat all your blinds.

I dont play them personally, unless they are freerolls.

knowledge required. But it can be learned sooner because less knowledge is needed.

 

[LFC_yllnwa]

And this is what the good players rely on and what makes the games profitable.

Good players rely on playing all-in every other time, will they be lucky or unlucky??? I don't see anything good in this. There are no plus if you like real poker and you want to be able to play or learn this.

These guys can be offered slot machines or casinos, the result and effect for them will not be worse...
I can also play on is sports betting (for luck) and win a lot more if we talk about money and spend a lot less time if we think and talk about time. My opinion..

*Poker depends very strong on luck at the table, and if you say that good players rely on this, I very much doubt that it is possible to constantly play only this type of tournaments and not go into the negative.. But I don't have thousands of these tournaments to exactly to talk about the possibility of playing only them and constantly earning According to the experience of luck in ordinary tournaments, her very not constant

 

[Recreationalplayer]

Element of variance/luck is more in hyper/small stack tournaments. One has to take more risk and play more flips in hyper tournaments which can be avoided in deepstack slow paced tournaments.

 

[telespf]

I think the same modal
It’s very fast modal of game
We need luck, but you need put on the risck several time.

If not, the blinds eat your stack.

Element of variance/luck is more in hyper/small stack tournaments. One has to take more risk and play more flips in hyper tournaments which can be avoided in deepstack slow paced tournaments.

 

[ADRI7HO]

In a hyper turbo tournament, the variance is much bigger, but you can also make a profit there, there are definitely those who succeed, because I think pros also play such tournaments.

 

[bablovod]

in such tournaments, the most important thing is to survive the early stage. in most hands, almost half of the table goes all-in at the very beginning. the push fold strategy works in them from the middle and late stages. luck certainly plays a very big role in them.
interestingly, the leader chip usually gets nats, but only with those who entered the game, and you, for example, dropped, but could have won.

 

[Rui Ferreira]

I don't think it's a lottery, but you need to be more aggressive, go all in there and it looks like it's a lottery

 

[Matt_Burns88]

I wonder if you need skills or is it plain luck to win hyper tournaments, with blinds raising every 2 minutes long waits for decent hand easily eat all your blinds.

I dont play them personally, unless they are freerolls.

Hyper tournaments were created by poker rooms for 3 reasons:
1) Increase in variance, means the poor players have more chance in getting lucky, so they stick around on the sites longer.
2) Tournaments finish quicker, suiting players that don't have a lot of time, and encouraging players to play more tournaments compared to if they were playing regular tournaments
3) Gives players more of a "rush" making them want to come back for more

Overall the luck element is increased in hyper tournaments, purely because you will see much fewer hands before you're at all-in/fold stage, reducing the edge of the better players.

 

[pit85]

Hyper tournament-Good point is less time ,bad point most of players going all in most of time and actually you need big luck.
Slow tournaments -You need patience and AA KK not help you because blinds are small and is to pay to check what is on table.

 

[recerveau]

I wonder if you need skills or is it plain luck to win hyper tournaments, with blinds raising every 2 minutes long waits for decent hand easily eat all your blinds.

I dont play them personally, unless they are freerolls.

In any game you will need skills. In the matter of these tournaments you mentioned, you will have to make some adaptations, but the skill still remains.

 

[Comboss599]

I don't like this type of tournaments. You don't have much time to build your bankroll on skills. To win the game you must collect many allins in short time. That defenitelly not my type of game.

 

[TaigaMaster]

hyper turbo tournaments require maximum concentration and great skill, unless of course you are playing for fun

 

[AlexStar1981]

Hyper tournaments are scary. It seems to me that experience weighs 10% there, and luck weighs the remaining 90%. Because everyone there, like crazy, constantly goes all-in on all sorts of trash, and this spoils the game very much.

 

[DollarDonJon]

You have to play hard and fast when you are in position. It teaches you to play a wider range of hands, and it is fun. Frustrating and fun together in the same cup. Allow hyper tourneys to expand your horizons.

 

[Rocker445]

always a push fold for me

 

[Medina]

I think there is a great need for skill in Hyper tournaments.
Due to lack of time and rapidly rising blind levels any serious error is immediate leads to elimination.
In addition to these, the luck factor also matters more as in traditional tournaments.
That's why I'm not used to it, to participate in such, i don't consider myself that good
I don't know about Hyper tournament freerolls, which poker room is this? i would love to practice

 

[PPT]

888 has hyper tournament freerolls almost every hour. Placing in the bubble will typically win you a few cents only, but there's tournament ticket ones as well. I've got a $22 PKO ticket for later today I won from a freeroll.

Fun to practice with.

 

[Poker Orifice]

, and if you say that good players rely on this, I very much doubt that it is possible to constantly play only this type of tournaments and not go into the negative..

You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote when I said, "Good players rely on this"

meaning:
Good players rely on those who don't understand that there is actually lots of skill involved in this format. Read some of the responses by members above... some of them are 'right on the money' (so to speak)

 

[Poker Orifice]

You can't "wait for a decent hand" - knowing that is part of the skill. You need to know what range is appropriate for your number of blinds, position, number of remaining players, and time to the next blind level.

Mastering short stack ICM is critical for doing well in these.

Whether you win any particular tournament will be largely influenced by luck, your ROI for a large number of tournaments will be largely skill.

This ^

 

[LFC_yllnwa]

You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote when I said, "Good players rely on this"

meaning:
Good players rely on those who don't understand that there is actually lots of skill involved in this format. Read some of the responses by members above... some of them are 'right on the money' (so to speak)

You don't seem to have fully read my first post on this topic. Where I wrote my opinion about this type of tournament. I also played these tournaments and when all-in, all-in, all-in with any picture or any small cards flying into me in order to survive and not give chips to the blinds, it's strange for me. If this is a great tactic and strategy for you, this is your opinion. I am absolutely not interested in lotteries and roulette. Maybe I didn't understand your answer again?

 

[Poker Orifice]

You don't seem to have fully read my first post on this topic. Where I wrote my opinion about this type of tournament. I also played these tournaments and when all-in, all-in, all-in with any picture or any small cards flying into me in order to survive and not give chips to the blinds, it's strange for me. If this is a great tactic and strategy for you, this is your opinion. I am absolutely not interested in lotteries and roulette. Maybe I didn't understand your answer again?

I'm sure you haven't read what I've posted or the one response I copy/pasted above. (posted by LetterRip). He/she sums it up nicely... & concisely..3

 

[Pimp 007 x]

These type of tournaments are basically a bingo fest, people are forced to bet/go all in with basically any hand with a face card.

 

[619Leafs]

These tournaments are lottery style. It’s 99% luck and 1% skill. Simply shove in when you have a half decent hand.