Do PKO tournaments influence how decisions are made or not?

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This post is on Progressive Bounty tournaments and their popularity. I'll give you some examples of tournaments where people maybe would have folded hands had it not been for the Bounty in the Progressive Bounty tournament - these actions made me wonder if they were making the right decisions. Of course, a Progressive Bounty tournament is a bit different than a regular bounty tournament - the regular bounty tournament has a set bounty and you may win the set amount from the player knocked out. There are a couple of hands that I will show that might illustrate one decision made in a Progressive Bounty tournament and another hand that was played during the WCOOP tournament at a final table that might have had a bearing on whether a call should have been made or not.

My question is, does the nature of a Progressive Bounty tournament change what is called and folded based on how much money that player has on their head?

This is from a progressive bounty tournament I played in on PapokerstarsI forgot the amount of the bounties that the villain went all-in with for there lost 6524 chips after I raised and got called you will see the vid if this wasn't a pko tournament when I 4 bets and went all-in would the other villain have called of there chips
https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/224GCpNal

The next example is from WCOOP 48-H: $5K SUNDAY SLAM Highlights it starts at 12:14 sorry for the highlighted version the original from the tournament was taken off of there this is caught in the middle of the hand.
woyuld that have changed the call when the player who made a set of 66 has a 21000k on there head u be the judge.
 
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My question is, does the nature of a Progressive Bounty tournament change what is called and folded based on how much money that player has on their head?
Well, what do you think!? I think you already know the answer. There is a guy, bounty specialist, you can copy and paste this in his topic. He is very active and competent.
 
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I believe that a tournament is a tournament, whatever you call it. As the saying goes: 'Even if you call it a pot, the main thing is not to put it in the oven' !!!
 
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My question is, does the nature of a Progressive Bounty tournament change what is called and folded based on how much money that player has on their head?

Of course but in those two examples, you show, the chips might also well have gone in even without bounties. In your own hand you opened to 3BB from MP, MP1 called with a 22BB stack, BTN jammed with an 11BB stack, you overjammed, and now the action was back on MP1.

This is a close spot with 99, and I would have to put it through ICMizer and know the payouts to even say, what he is supposed to do with or without bounties. The fact, there was a bounty to contend for, should make your overjamming range wider, and then he is also correct to call it off a little wider, even though he can not contend for your bounty. But I can easily see someone call with 99 here in a normal MTT be it correct or not, so not sure this even mattered.

In reality MP1 probably should have jammed himself rather than flatted, and then you would have ended up playing the same coinflip with his 99 but without the added chips from BTN or his bounty. So MP+1 just flatting actually created a good situation for you, and mostly this was just a standard setup with AK vs a pair.

The wsop hand is also mostly just a standard cooler or setup with an overpair against a set in a 3,5 SPR pot. This was a high stakes event, and in these people do have bluffs in their range, so you cant just sit and fold anything but the ultra nuts. But of course the fact, that the player with a set had a big bounty on him, makes it even more mandatory to not fold an overpair.
 
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They don't decide on this video...
 
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I decided to play my normal game and made FT

ACR recently ran their PKO series and I played in several of them. I min-cashed in 3 or 4 and was able to get my buyin back from bounties in all but one I think.

Then I played a 4k gtd 2 dollar buyin this weekend, and I decided before starting the event - I was not going to play any different than I do in regular MTTs.

I ended up banking about 9 dollars in bounties, and made the final table out of 1800 players. I think I busted in 8th KK lost to AA :(
I don't know if this is a good strategy for other players - but it worked out well for me. GL
 
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yes, in knockout bounty tournaments, everyone wants to knock someone out to get the prize money. And of course, this will happen often that because of the small bag we will leave the big tournament.
 
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Then I played a 4k gtd 2 dollar buyin this weekend, and I decided before starting the event - I was not going to play any different than I do in regular MTTs.

I am by no means a PKO expert, but I do tend to think, the early phase can be played pretty much like a normal MTT. A lot of the bounty money is paid out through the end, and to contend for that money you obviously need to make it to the end. So overadjusting to win a small bounty early on or just build a big stack is probably worse than not adjusting.

I can see the point in going for a bit more of a "go strong or go home" strategy, but at the end of the day its still poker. So I cant imagine, its profitable to play J8s from UTG, just because its a PKO. Meaning that if you are card dead, you are still going to slowly bleed chips to the blinds and antes, and you just need to accept it and be patient.

The major adjustments come, when a bounty is actually in play or could be made to be in play, especially if its someone, who have lost most of his chips, so that the bounty is significant compared to his stack. Then you want to isolate that player more wide to increase the chance of winning his bounty. But once again you cant go completely out of line and jam K4 offsuit with 5 players left to act behind, just because a bounty is on the line.

You also want to be aware, how other players will react to the possibility of winning your bounty. So if you get short, you need to tighten up, just like you would in a normal MTT, if you have calling stations or 3-bet maniacs on your left.
 
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