Worst played hand I've ever seen!

[VMVarga]

This recent hand just baffled me. This player, someone who only plays the Casino org freeroll for some reason, stunned me with just how incoherent his play actually was.

I am in SB (75/150) with 8c9d. Short stacked with 12 blinds, about 70 placed away from the bubble.

Our genius limps with KhKs from 2+UTG. He has about 25 blinds.

It folds to me and I call. BB checks.

Flop comes 5h7c10h

I make a 3/4 pot bet, BB folds, and our genius flat calls!

Turn is the Ace of hearts, and because I am short stacked with this open ender, I have no fold equity and checking would allow the genius to simply bet and steal the pot, as almost any bet would push me all in. So I feel like the only real move I have is to jam, which is what I do. He snap calls.

He turns over KK, and I am so confused I don't even really see the 2c peel off on the river and knock me out.

I don't fault his final move as much as I would have, or as much as I would like to, because he did have the K of hearts, and my all in was more like a 2/3 pot bet. But everything else is just so bizarre to me.

Limping from such an early position? Flat calling the flop bet on that board--which was about as bad as it could get for him by the time the turn came? And calling my all in when I could have easily had him beat with any Ax or any suited connectors--and my SB limp range could include me having two pair with a suited 57 or T7?

I honestly believe he would have called the all in if it had been for his whole stack, instead of the ineffectual shove that it turned out to be, because his only thought process was "I have kings, I will not fold."

This is the type of player who sits and waits for AA or KK to show up, and never sees past the flop unless he catches a set or aces up with AK/AQ, and even then he only see 4th and 5th street as they rip past on the way to showdown. He is the type who feels that those KKs and AAs entitle him to the pot, and as a result of the universe owing him every pot in every hand where he has AA or KK, he vows to never, ever fold those hands, even when the board is showing three or four other hands that could crush his little pair of KK; he can't even fold when there are abundant indications that his single pair of kings are no longer good.

Is it just me, or is this hand one fine example of how NOT to play kings? Sure, he won this pot, but just how many times will this line of his succeed in taking down the pot for him? I have a very hard time imagining that such a line will ever pay off enough to not be a colossal mistake. The risk to reward ratio is way off, and pretty much the only time he will ever get paid off from that line is when this exact set of circumstances aligns just right once again (remember, my winning hand will arrive on the turn 32% of the time and on the river 13% of the time), and who the hell knows when that will be?

Anyway, if you read the whole post, thanks for sticking around to hear me complain.

 

[neptun1914]

You are looking from the point of view that everybody is thinking before playing and can make at least elementary calculations about pot odds and equity. Unfortunately (or fortunately - depends how you see it) many people just play without trying to calculate anything. They see kings, queens or aces and they know that this is premium hand which should win. When they see this they continue to push or call till the end even when it is clear that they will not win. They just can't fold premium hand in any case. If you see such player do not expect some logic from him and do not base your behavior on the assumption that they will do the correct thing and fold.

 

[Ovuvuevuevue]

Bit salty when losing

It's a good lesson to never underestimate your opponent he trapped you excellently.

 

[acemenow]

Thisrecenthandjustbaffled me. ...

Is it just me, or is this hand one fine example of how NOT to play kings? Sure, he won this pot, but just how many times will this line of his succeed in taking down the pot for him? I have a very hard time imagining that such a line will ever pay off enough to not be a colossal mistake. The risk to reward ratio is way off, and pretty much the only time he will ever get paid off from that line is when this exact set of circumstances aligns just right once again (remember, my winning hand will arrive on the turn 32% of the time and on the river 13% of the time), and who the hell knows when that will be?

Anyway, if you read the whole post, thanks for sticking around to hear me complain.

I play in that FR as well. I like the fact that its a freezout. But noticed the play on here is crazy especially in the beginning. It's pretty much a shove fest at least on the table I was on last night. Guy in sb, I was in BB was uber aggressive a number of hands in a row. Previously he took down a hand from me I had AQo 3 people in it. was pushed all in I folded and both players the all in shove and him had rags and hit nothing on the board I would have taken that pot down. OK t happes. But he never let up. So I am in BB he is in SB and raised me. I had 48 off. And just did not believe him. I shoved all in knowing it was stupid but expecting a fold. He called with 25O and I doubled up. Clearly I got lucky but to me he indicated he was playing any 2


I wound up playing TAG rest of game made the money and was taken out when AJo pushed me all in with AKs oh well on to the next game.

Side note: Ironically I have been knocked out of the last 2 of 4 CC the same way intertops on Sat and last night on ACR. Aj beating my AK

Eventually it will come my way lol

 

[Tuan]

Wow, I don't like his trap but it does work in an aggressive table. Base on what you did, I could see that people could be limping in with premium hand to trap. You bet flop indicating some strength, but the turn is an A; you should check because an A is a scare card. Sometimes we have to give up because the bet could not make sense; however, we have a strong straight draw. I would check/call on the flop, and also check the turn giving that we are on the bubble. This way we can take advantage of people slow playing big hands. The A is actually a good card for us since it might help us get to the river.

 

[iwont20]

I understand your perplexity and emotion, but wow such a long post for venting about such a standard hand Don't play CC tournaments because you will be updating your thread daily

 

[Flight777sem]

It’s not a right play limping with KK but sometimes they do and that works. More than his play i think you made a mistake, raise on flop and showing on that turn. You’re not representing A there and it’s suppose to be scary card for you. If you had set or something you probably would not raise that big on the flop. So you’re waiting for a straight draw or over playing you pair. Sure it might be 10-7 or whatever but on that turn I think it is not a crazy call with KK especially if you’re playing it trapped way with limping.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

1. Analyze a play without judging the results. I don't think you'd have posted about this if you'd somehow won the hand. Before asking for sympathy on a hand or berating play, make sure you're analyzing for the right reasons.

2. I only skimmed but this line is super problematic:

"Turn is the Ace of hearts, and because I am short stacked with this open ender, I have no fold equity"

I agree that you basically have no fold equity... so WHY are you betting? You didn't even appear to put the villain on a range of hands. Just because he limps UTG and is likely a weaker player doesn't mean we suspend all thinking.

What hands does he likely call flop with? A pair of T's or 7's, a straight draw, a flush draw? Well I highly doubt with your stack he's ever folding a pair, a flush draw just got there, and he may not even fold the gutters that have an over to a T...

I probably wouldn't even lead the flop to begin with. I'd be checking to either check jam (to actually create some legitimate fold equity against stabs) or get to see another street for cheap.

Back to villain's play. If he never limps and then suddenly limps huge hands trying to limp/reraise then I agree it's horrible. But it's at least POSSIBLE that he limps a variety of hands, and mixes in big hands sometimes for balance.

I'm not saying this is so, or even all that likely, but before berating, at least consider these possibilities. Especially if we're not going to analyze our own play through the same critical lens.