what are your moves here?

shinedown.45

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still early in the tourney and you have no reads, as you find them useless in the first hour, maybe not useless, just unreliable so you chose to play a ring at the same time. I will continue this, but will not add until I get a sufficient # of responses and even then I may not be online until later this evening.

pokerstars Game #9613882630: Tournament #48311280, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/26 - 07:26:35 (ET)
Table '48311280 54' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kasjuh18 (7337 in chips)
Seat 2: Lowpokes (2780 in chips)
Seat 3: you (2190 in chips)
Seat 4: ThijsWen (1595 in chips)
Seat 5: chellelouise (1405 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: Actionandi28 (2728 in chips)
Seat 7: Miketheman74 (2020 in chips)
Seat 8: Frogserv (1350 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Piffl (4055 in chips) is sitting out
you: posts small blind 15
ThijsWen: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [4s 4h]
chellelouise: folds
Actionandi28: calls 30
Miketheman74: calls 30
Frogserv: folds
Piffl: folds
kasjuh18: folds
Lowpokes: folds
you:?
 
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tosborn

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Call, fold to a significant raise and re-evaluate the turn.
 
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You're OOP for the rest of this hand so I wouldn't raise with 44, at least at this stage. Just call and let the pot go 4-ways.
 
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Getting 7:1 preflop, only 1 to act behind you, this is a perfect situation for a cheap flop with a small pair. Limp and see a flop.
 
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With those pot odds and blind size you can complete with almost anything.

joose's eyes light up when he sees potential dead money, but these are small cards and the blinds are small.

Call, hope for a set and picture cards. If the BB raises, re-evaluate the pot odds when it comes round to you again.
 
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I had made a small raise, like some of you had said, cheap blinds so thats the reason for the small raise, also to see if anyone comes over the top , maybe with a higher pair, but with just calls from 3 , I don't see anything higher out there than Ace high.
What is your next move and why?



PokerStars Game #9613882630: Tournament #48311280, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/26 - 07:26:35 (ET)
Table '48311280 54' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kasjuh18 (7337 in chips)
Seat 2: Lowpokes (2780 in chips)
Seat 3: Orion469 (2190 in chips)
Seat 4: ThijsWen (1595 in chips)
Seat 5: chellelouise (1405 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: Actionandi28 (2728 in chips)
Seat 7: Miketheman74 (2020 in chips)
Seat 8: Frogserv (1350 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Piffl (4055 in chips) is sitting out
Orion469: posts small blind 15
ThijsWen: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [4s 4h]
chellelouise: folds
Actionandi28: calls 30
Miketheman74: calls 30
Frogserv: folds
Piffl: folds
kasjuh18: folds
Lowpokes: folds
Orion469: raises 30 to 60
ThijsWen: calls 30
Actionandi28: calls 30
Miketheman74: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [9d 6s 4c]
Orion469:?
 
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I think this is a good opportunity to slowplay so I would check-call here. Rainbow flop and longshot straight draws. Then, check-raise on the turn unless you get a full house.
 
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I'd prefer to start building the pot with a 1/3-1/2 pot bet.
 
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$1 tourney, people will pay you off with any overpair, TP, draw etc etc. Just lead and hope someone's hit one of the above hands :)
 
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4-way pot and virtually drawless board I like the check/call strategy here hoping for some action and going for check/raise on turn as suggested by t1riel, hoping a high card (A,K or Q) hits the turn.
 
shinedown.45

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I had decided to check, and get a raise from one player and its my turn to act, with it being this early in tourney, most overvalue small to medium pairs and post flop play didn't indicate anything like this, because I think with my low preflop bet someone would have min-raised to indicate to me that they may have had PP.
What do you do now?
will add more after 3members post.

PokerStars Game #9613882630: Tournament #48311280, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/26 - 07:26:35 (ET)
Table '48311280 54' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kasjuh18 (7337 in chips)
Seat 2: Lowpokes (2780 in chips)
Seat 3: Orion469 (2190 in chips)
Seat 4: ThijsWen (1595 in chips)
Seat 5: chellelouise (1405 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: Actionandi28 (2728 in chips)
Seat 7: Miketheman74 (2020 in chips)
Seat 8: Frogserv (1350 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Piffl (4055 in chips) is sitting out
Orion469: posts small blind 15
ThijsWen: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [4s 4h]
chellelouise: folds
Actionandi28: calls 30
Miketheman74: calls 30
Frogserv: folds
Piffl: folds
kasjuh18: folds
Lowpokes: folds
Orion469: raises 30 to 60
ThijsWen: calls 30
Actionandi28: calls 30
Miketheman74: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [9d 6s 4c]
Orion469: checks
ThijsWen: checks
Actionandi28: bets 120
Miketheman74: folds
Orion469:
 
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Your p/f raise wasnt big enough to indicate that anyone is playing just big pairs, this board fits a lots of connecting cards, 87 ? I take controll of the pot now, raise to ~400.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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This is horrible so far.

Limp pf (the minraise is completely horrible beyond words simply because (a) you're out of position - why swell a pot when you're at a positional disadvantage and (b) it opens up the action again for all the pf limpers before you), lead flop so you can 3-bet allin if raised (in a $1 donkament a raise does not just mean a higher set, obviously), and because leading looks less like strength here than a c/r (although into 3 others both are pretty big representations of strength, we can maintain a little deceptive value here by leading, and also not risk giving a free card to 3 pretty random hands).

As played I really don't know whether to say raise and essentially give up the ghost on trying to disguise your huge hand and just settle for probably taking the pot now, or call and risk letting someone outdraw you. This is a decision you shouldn't have to make, however.

Edit: Thinking about it, OOP I'd raise as played. If we call, we set ourselves up for a very awkward turn decision. If we raise, we either take the pot down, call a shove, or shove the turn if called - simple.
 
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PokerStars Game #9613882630: Tournament #48311280, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/26 - 07:26:35 (ET)
Table '48311280 54' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kasjuh18 (7337 in chips)
Seat 2: Lowpokes (2780 in chips)
Seat 3: Orion469 (2190 in chips)
Seat 4: ThijsWen (1595 in chips)
Seat 5: chellelouise (1405 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: Actionandi28 (2728 in chips)
Seat 7: Miketheman74 (2020 in chips)
Seat 8: Frogserv (1350 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Piffl (4055 in chips) is sitting out
Orion469: posts small blind 15
ThijsWen: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [4s 4h]
chellelouise: folds
Actionandi28: calls 30
Miketheman74: calls 30
Frogserv: folds
Piffl: folds
kasjuh18: folds
Lowpokes: folds
Orion469: raises 30 to 60
ThijsWen: calls 30
Actionandi28: calls 30
Miketheman74: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [9d 6s 4c]
Orion469: checks
ThijsWen: checks
Actionandi28: bets 120
Miketheman74: folds
Orion469: raises 120 to 240
ThijsWen: folds
Actionandi28: calls 120
*** TURN *** [9d 6s 4c] [6d]
Orion469:
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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I'm tempted to bring back my "BET SLIDER" title and avatar. :(

Seriously, raise more so you can justifiably shove the turn. Not a lot that's calling a minraise here isn't calling a raise to 350-400 total, especially in a $1 donkament.

As played, bet 400-500 because the pot isn't quite large enough to justify shoving (you might drive some hands out that would call a smaller bet, but at the same time you don't want to do something silly like minbet and give good odds to draws), obviously call a raise and shove river if called.
 
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Now you hit your full house and arent worried about flush and straights anymore.

Itd be hard to get rid of anyone with a 6 anyway, so i think now you should focus on getting most value from your hand coz if your beat then theres not much getting away from it, unless a 6 or 9 hits river. You want to start building pot to get most money in so id bet about 400 like dorkus said.

Maybe someone with an unpaired 6 will shove over u.
 
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Your right DM, I should have bet more on the turn, the outcome just made me sick, because in my mind, I had put him on a straight draw.
You look and see what didn't make sense.

PokerStars Game #9613882630: Tournament #48311280, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/26 - 07:26:35 (ET)
Table '48311280 54' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kasjuh18 (7337 in chips)
Seat 2: Lowpokes (2780 in chips)
Seat 3: Orion469 (2190 in chips)
Seat 4: ThijsWen (1595 in chips)
Seat 5: chellelouise (1405 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: Actionandi28 (2728 in chips)
Seat 7: Miketheman74 (2020 in chips)
Seat 8: Frogserv (1350 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Piffl (4055 in chips) is sitting out
Orion469: posts small blind 15
ThijsWen: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [4s 4h]
chellelouise: folds
Actionandi28: calls 30
Miketheman74: calls 30
Frogserv: folds
Piffl: folds
kasjuh18: folds
Lowpokes: folds
Orion469: raises 30 to 60
ThijsWen: calls 30
Actionandi28: calls 30
Miketheman74: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [9d 6s 4c]
Orion469: checks
ThijsWen: checks
Actionandi28: bets 120
Miketheman74: folds
Orion469: raises 120 to 240
ThijsWen: folds
Actionandi28: calls 120
*** TURN *** [9d 6s 4c] [6d]
Orion469: bets 270
Actionandi28: raises 540 to 810
Orion469: raises 540 to 1350
Actionandi28: raises 1078 to 2428 and is all-in
Orion469: calls 540 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [9d 6s 4c 6d] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orion469: shows [4s 4h] (a full house, Fours full of Nines)
Actionandi28: shows [6c 8h] (a full house, Sixes full of Nines)
Actionandi28 collected 4500 from pot
 
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I dont think turn bet wouldve made a difference. he hit his trips and raised you so he wasnt gonna fold it on turn.

or did you mean you shouldve bet more on flop?
 
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Villian had hit 2p on the flop, he was gonna hang till he strangled.

As it works out I think there was NOTHING YOU COULD HAVE DONE HERE! Unless you are an extremely adept person at realizing your underboat is just a dinghy here.
 
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