What do think about way I played this?

[umofo]

From today's freeroll on stars.
I had no read on the big stack. He just joined the table a few hands back and this is the first hand he was seriously involved in.
pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP3 (t1400)
CO (t3900)
Button (t14075)
Hero (t10195)
BB (t140)
UTG (t24443)
UTG+1 (t4085)
MP1 (t5355)
MP2 (t120)

Preflop:

Hero is SB with Ad(pic won't show!),

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UTG: calls t200, 6 folds, Hero completes, 1 fold.

Flop: (t340)

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(2 players)
Hero bets t1000, UTG calls t1000.

Turn: (t2340)

(2 players)
Hero bets t1500, UTG calls t1500.

River: (t5340)

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t3000, Hero calls t3000.

Final Pot: t11340

Will post the results after a few replies.

 

[KenFischer]

Ea) Use the CC hand converter

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b) Why would you let UTG limp here? Quite often this is done so that when someone reraises they can come over the top - A 3-4xBB raise seems warranted and is unlikely to get them to fold.

EDIT:
Ok, I misread and thought you had AA, not ATo. See, use the CC hand history converter

I still think you need to raise pre-flop to define UTG's hand. Once you overbet the flop and get called, either they are drawing to the flush, or you are behind with TP. You're also putting a lot of money into a hand when it's not really that strong and you don't know where you stand. I'm raising pre-flop, betting 2/3 of the pot on the flop, and slowing down a lot when I get flat called.

 

[umofo]

a) Use the CC hand converter

Poker Hand History Converter Tool

b) Why would you let UTG limp here? Quite often this is done so that when someone reraises they can come over the top - A 3-4xBB raise seems warranted and is unlikely to get them to fold.

Sorry will use CC hand converter next time

I was out of position and would have folded on the flop if I didn't hit. So I didn't want to reraise. I think I sometimes play too passive preflop... So I should have raised here? But I don't think he would have folded.

EDIT:
Ok, I misread and thought you had AA, not ATo. See, use the CC hand history converter

I still think you need to raise pre-flop to define UTG's hand. Once you overbet the flop and get called, either they are drawing to the flush, or you are behind with TP. You're also putting a lot of money into a hand when it's not really that strong and you don't know where you stand. I'm raising pre-flop, betting 2/3 of the pot on the flop, and slowing down a lot when I get flat called.

EDIT:
I overbet because wanted him to fold the draw (if he had one). On reflection, I would have bet about 600-800 if my phone wasn't ringing at the time I made the decision!

Thanks for your view!

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

why do you want him to fold a draw?

 

[umofo]

why do you want him to fold a draw?

Erm... I'm a bit of a fish... that's why... I didn't actually know he was on a draw, was just one possibility, I also though he might have a lowish pocket pair as he didn't raise preflop... overbetting is a wrong thing to do then I guess?

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

there's a time and a place for overbetting, but it's generally for the exact opposite reason of that you stated ('to get him to fold a draw').

look at it this way. we make money in poker from our opponents mistakes. if we overbet here, should he have a draw we are making it easier for him to make the correct decision (fold). we only want to overbet here if we have a line on villain that makes us think (a) he has a draw and (b) he's willing to call or shove over overbets with a draw. otherwise, a 3/4 pot to pot-sized bet works just fine, as villain would be more likely to call such a bet, but would (generally) be making a mistake by doing so.

 

[umofo]

there's a time and a place for overbetting, but it's generally for the exact opposite reason of that you stated ('to get him to fold a draw').

look at it this way. we make money in poker from our opponents mistakes. if we overbet here, should he have a draw we are making it easier for him to make the correct decision (fold). we only want to overbet here if we have a line on villain that makes us think (a) he has a draw and (b) he's willing to call or shove over overbets with a draw. otherwise, a 3/4 pot to pot-sized bet works just fine, as villain would be more likely to call such a bet, but would (generally) be making a mistake by doing so.

Thanks... I will try not to make same mistake in the future

What hand range would you be putting him on after seeing the flop?
(given that I have already made the mistake by not raising preflop)

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

He likely has something (be it a made hand or draw) given the flop call - even in a freeroll an unknown is unlikely to float in position with overcards or suchlike here against such a huge overbet.

diamonds/AT-JT/A7/98s/set forms his likely hands, however I suppose AA-88 is possible too, especially seeing as it's a freeroll.

Given that we're out of position I probably check the turn for pot control, even though we're giving him a free card if he does have a draw (we've already kind of made up for this by hugely overbetting the flop, heh!). As played, the river is awkward - we're beating nothing but a bluff, but missed draws will bluff a lot there. I veer towards folding, though.

 

[umofo]

It turned out he had pocket 8s and consequently made an inside straight on the river Even after the overbetting, I should have folded when he bet on the river, but I was too curious to see what he had Thanks for the input guys