What to do, really late 180 man

arkadiy

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He has shoved a few times like this already

pokerstars Game #17756785150: Tournament #90037712, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/05/28 - 16:56:50 (ET)
Table '90037712 14' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Dosenkoch (6165 in chips)
Seat 2: Arkadiy (6266 in chips)
Seat 3: foxymoron81 (4764 in chips)
Seat 4: Virtucon (3690 in chips)
Seat 5: Mobby007 (16580 in chips)
Seat 6: DaddyRab999 (10625 in chips)
Seat 7: Floh1974 (16618 in chips)
Seat 8: SinHemus (5849 in chips)
Seat 9: JnineEges (26225 in chips)
Dosenkoch: posts the ante 75
Arkadiy: posts the ante 75
foxymoron81: posts the ante 75
Virtucon: posts the ante 75
Mobby007: posts the ante 75
DaddyRab999: posts the ante 75
Floh1974: posts the ante 75
SinHemus: posts the ante 75
JnineEges: posts the ante 75
foxymoron81: posts small blind 400
Virtucon: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Arkadiy [7d 7h]
Mobby007: folds
DaddyRab999: folds
Floh1974: folds
SinHemus: raises 4974 to 5774 and is all-in
JnineEges: folds
Dosenkoch: folds
foxymoron81 is disconnected
foxymoron81 is connected
Arkadiy: ????

My position:
Stack: largest 31509, smallest 417, average 11739
Your current position is 17 out of 25
Time bank balance is 12 seconds
in 4 min blinds 600/1200 ante 125
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CfPoker

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Shove. You both have an M of about 3. He's pusing a wide range of hands and your 7s are most likely ahead of his range.
 
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SInce you need to double up to basically be right on the average stack, i would call. You are less than 10 times the bb and you have an ok hand heads up. THey are low enough to be pushing with a lot of hands that you have a race against or better.

The one thing that makes me look at this though and say fold is both the small and bb are low stacked, and if either calls just because of the pot size, you would be in a world of hurt. So actually i fold. But i could see a solid arguement either way.
 
S93

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I whould call,your M is geting low and you need a double up quik.
He is also shortstacked and could be pushing with any A or K or any pair,your likly 50/50 or might even be a 70/30 favorit
 
rob5775

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Fold. You are on the button, so you have at least 6 more chances to shove with "first-in vigorish" and fold equity. You are only significantly ahead of 22-66 and any high/low combination that splits your hand (ie: A6, K5... about a 70/30 favorite there, I think). Any over pair has you dominated and you are flipping if he has over cards, which is the most likely scenario.

Shoving 77 is a must if it is folded around to you. You're odds improve because you may get over cards to fold because of fold equity. But calling, in this instance, is incorrect when you can probably find a better spot before the blinds hit you. At this point you should be trying to steal the blinds/antes without a fight instead of getting your chips in when you are not a dominant favorite.
 
tpb221

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Flip a coin. With him going all in before like this, I think you're ahead. But not much.
 
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ColdDeckCity

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I think if you had more chips take the side of caution as he could easily have two overs but as you are ss + the blinds increasing in 4 mins push and pray
 
OzExorcist

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Could be a stupid question, but are we in the money yet?
 
SeanyJ

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I think the standard payout in 180 man tournaments is the top 18 get paid.
 
OzExorcist

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OK, so we're not in the money - I probably throw this away. This close to the bubble, with lots of short stacks in the game and with exactly zero fold equity, I think I give this up. We can expect to be flipping at very best.
 
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