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arahel_jazz

arahel_jazz

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Am I just spineless, or am I just over-valuing opponents overbets in micro-limit donkaments???

This has happened to me about a dozen times this weekend... yes, some were really good (amazing even) folds, but some of them just sickened me... Like this one:

pokerstars Game #17707673779: Tournament #89787032, $0.10+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2008/05/26 - 15:05:26 (ET)
Table '89787032 30' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Varcille (13763 in chips)
Seat 2: bucki07 (14280 in chips)
Seat 3: Bermuda23 (3165 in chips)
Seat 4: ssnot2nb (2663 in chips)
Seat 5: xIngax (2585 in chips)
Seat 6: Errell (6499 in chips)
Seat 7: amicos (3500 in chips)
Seat 8: arahel_jazz (5635 in chips)
Seat 9: Schade1976 (3358 in chips)
Varcille: posts the ante 50
bucki07: posts the ante 50
Bermuda23: posts the ante 50
ssnot2nb: posts the ante 50
xIngax: posts the ante 50
Errell: posts the ante 50
amicos: posts the ante 50
arahel_jazz: posts the ante 50
Schade1976: posts the ante 50
Errell: posts small blind 200
amicos: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to arahel_jazz [3c 3d]
arahel_jazz: calls 400
Schade1976: calls 400
Varcille: raises 800 to 1200
bucki07: folds
Bermuda23: folds
ssnot2nb: folds
xIngax: folds
Errell: calls 1000
amicos: folds
arahel_jazz: calls 800
Schade1976: calls 800
*** FLOP *** [Th Qd 2d]
Errell: checks
arahel_jazz: checks
Schade1976: checks
Varcille: checks
*** TURN *** [Th Qd 2d] [2c]
Errell: bets 2000
arahel_jazz: folds <<<<------ almost timed out folding...
Schade1976: folds
Varcille: raises 3600 to 5600
Errell: calls 3249 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (351) returned to Varcille
*** RIVER *** [Th Qd 2d 2c] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Errell: shows [8d 9d] (a pair of Deuces)
Varcille: shows [Ac Kd] (a pair of Deuces - Ace kicker)
Varcille collected 16148 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16148 | Rake 0
Board [Th Qd 2d 2c 3s]
Seat 1: Varcille showed [Ac Kd] and won (16148) with a pair of Deuces
Seat 2: bucki07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Bermuda23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ssnot2nb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: xIngax (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Errell (small blind) showed [8d 9d] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 7: amicos (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: arahel_jazz folded on the Turn
Seat 9: Schade1976 folded on the Turn


I am so on tilt from this weekend... I'm going to stop playing for a couple of weeks... and read some books.
 
t1riel

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I wonder why Varcille didn't make a c-bet. He was last to act and he could have possibly, if anything, taken a player out of the pot. At that point, you probably would have folded.
 
Pothole

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Post flop there were flush and str8 possibilities, no cbet could be slow playing but a cbet would have got at least 1 player out, the fold post turn to two all-ins was a given, don't feel bad that you could have won, fold was the right move.
 
Stick66

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Standard fold on the turn. I mighta even folded 33 to the preflop raise if I didn't think Schade1976 would call. Pot has gotta be worth it to setmine with such a low pair, IMO. But maybe that's just me.
 
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CfPoker

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Fold preflop.

Your M here is about 5. This is not the time to go set mining as it is costing you too much of your stack to do it, and the implied odds aren't there when you do hit. This is even more true after you called the preflop raise - you've now spent 1/5th of your stack on a 1/8 chance to set.
 
atomicpunk

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WOW THATS SOME HEAVY DUTY ADVICE MY FRIEND ,NOT IN THE HAND BUT I CAN FEEL IT ,THX.GONNA KEEP THAT IN MIND.
 
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sliver101

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after the turn what u were beating was a non starter u could of chased a 2 outer to the riv an lost it all which would have happened more than the times ull win it good fold all round
 
ChuckTs

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Fold preflop.

Your M here is about 5. This is not the time to go set mining as it is costing you too much of your stack to do it, and the implied odds aren't there when you do hit. This is even more true after you called the preflop raise - you've now spent 1/5th of your stack on a 1/8 chance to set.

^^^ that. Postflop is also absolutely standard. If the 3 hadn't have dropped on the river would you still be beating yourself up over this? What if they both showed sets?

Again - fold pf. As played pf, this is a spot where you're either incredibly far behind or you're barely ahead against two overs and some kind of draw. Automatic fold.
 
Announced

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Once again, I show up too late. Fold pre-flop as Cf/Chuck already said.
 
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