trips vs loose caller

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Kennyseven

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Transcript for your last 1 games requested by Kenseven13
20 or so hands at this table.....My image is a tad on the loose end. Villian is loose often calling with marginal hands but hitting flops hard.

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pokerstars Game #14781942624: Tournament #74369367, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2008/01/24 - 01:39:42 (ET)
Table '74369367 20' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: easteredster (4012 in chips)
Seat 2: Akki101 (12293 in chips)
Seat 3: Bmar1949 (26504 in chips)
Seat 4: strapNlefty (20521 in chips)
Seat 5: braxton45 (3374 in chips)
Seat 6: Kenseven13 (25135 in chips)
Seat 7: todox (11642 in chips)
Seat 8: skinsfan17 (28262 in chips)
Seat 9: bogue-man (85646 in chips)
easteredster: posts the ante 75
Akki101: posts the ante 75
Bmar1949: posts the ante 75
strapNlefty: posts the ante 75
braxton45: posts the ante 75
Kenseven13: posts the ante 75
todox: posts the ante 75
skinsfan17: posts the ante 75
bogue-man: posts the ante 75
Bmar1949: posts small blind 400
strapNlefty: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kenseven13 [6d 6h]
braxton45: folds
Kenseven13: raises 800 to 1600
todox: folds
skinsfan17: folds
bogue-man: calls 1600
easteredster: folds
Akki101: folds
Bmar1949: folds
strapNlefty: calls 800
*** FLOP *** [6s As 3h]
strapNlefty: checks
Kenseven13: bets 3200
bogue-man: calls 3200
strapNlefty: folds
*** TURN *** [6s As 3h] [7d]
Kenseven13: bets 7200 Maybe a pot size bet instead?
bogue-man: calls 7200
*** RIVER *** [6s As 3h 7d] [Ks]
Kenseven13: What is my move here?

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Steveg1976

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I say shove and think he calls with A7. If you have trapped yourself and he is holding AA's or KK's well it happens. I think that the odds that is what he is olding are so remote I stack off here and don't even regret the decision.
 
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feramorzz

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Hmm..flush perhaps?

Well, there's about 24000 in the pot, and you have about 12000 and change left right? There is the flush draw and the big stack could have been chasing.

I'm on the wall here! I've been kicked out of tournaments with lucky chasers like this.

I think your bets were great, unless you wanted to push at the flop at not see the turn & river, which is throwing money away...so I'm back to your bets are fine.

I've checked before and got paid off less with loose players holding two pair, and I've been booted with the lucky flush as well.

I think I'd check, and see if he bets and then decide if I wanted to call depending on how much bogue-man bets. That's a scary river!

Interesting hand...Thanks!
 
c9h13no3

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You should have shoved the turn.

After the flop, the pot was 12275 by my calculations, and you have 20260 remaining. The only draw that filled was 45 on the turn, so its almost essentially blank. AK type hands will call your shove, and you will eliminate flush suckout possibilities. Also, you've left yourself in a fairly rough situation where if you fold, you only have an M of 6.4 if you fold (which isn't a great place to be).

If you're very close to the money, I say check this, and fold if he shoves since you give him a high probability of having a flush. If you're not close to the money, then dump all your chips in, since it will be fairly hard to survive for a lot longer with an M of 6.4.

Also, I might have liked the inital preflop raise to be up to 2000-2400 or so, since it will help you get your chips in earlier in the hand if you hit a set, and it increases the possibility that you just take down the pot right there.
 
SubT33

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Yeah I want to agree that I would like a bigger bet on the turn, if not shove like c9h suggested. But even as it stands with a bet of 7200 he wasn't getting the proper odds to draw to his flush. Even if he gave himself implied odds from stacking you he still wasn't getting proper odds. Was he a decent player who would even be considering odds? I think that information would help your decision.

But still something bothers me about this hand. What would he have to call you down to china town as he has. Well, to answer this question, I'll ask another. What do you think, he thinks you have, which would allow him to call you down like this? He knows you raised from early position, so I bet he thinks you have a high pocket pair or Ak, AQ. The flop comes and an Ace falls. He sees you bet out a little more than 1/2 the pot. He thinks if you had a high PP such as JJ QQ KK you would probably check to that Ace so is it safe to say he thinks you have AK, AQ or maybe AA? So he calls your more than 1/2 pot-sized bet. He probably would have folded had he though you had trip aces. So he puts you on AK or AQ. So why the hell did he call? Does he have AK and thinks he has you outkicked, but just in case you did hit a set with 66 or 33 he is just calling? Or did he have 33 and made a lower set? If he has AK, shove? If he has 33 shove? Or maybe he is an idiot on a flush draw and you check? I don't know maybe my logic is off here. Someone else takeover where I left off, my brain is hurting...


(just for the record there are nine question marks in this post of mine)
 
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