TPMK with low M in $1MTT

DetroitJimmy

DetroitJimmy

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Stacks: - wally309 with 10540 - cbimport with 8994 - !ELMARCO2024 with 8200 - Det_Jimmy with 3425 - actionbudman with 5676 - vassiliv with 5695 - sfgigantes with 10765 - sarge73 with 5170 - SPOT1968 with 1315

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Blinds: 200/400
Site: pokerstars
* - Dealt to Det_Jimmy:
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Preflop:
**- 6 players fold.
!elmarco2024 calls [400]
* - det_jimmy calls [200]
* - actionbudman: checks
* - Total folds this street: 6
* - Potsize: 1200
Flop:
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*-det_jimmy ?????

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I called because of the 5 to 1 odds and the fact that elmarco2024 has been limping a lot lately.He is very loose preflop and I don't feel a raise will get me a good result with this mediocre hand.If I don't hit the flop,then I'm only out 200 more chips.

Actionbudman seems weak every since the blinds have gone up and has been folding in the BB with short stacks going all in on him,even with 2.5 to 1 odds.

Anyway I think a call was in order here.As played what would your move be postflop.Results will come tomorrow.
 
c9h13no3

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Since its been 5 days since this was posted, and you got no replies, I figure I'll offer an opinion.

1) I'd have shoved all my chips in preflop. The player on the button is loose, and is probably not limping with a monster given previous actions. The player in the big blind is weak, and will apparently fold some of the hands that are beating yours. This looks like a nice spot to me to add 800 easy chips to your stack.

2) Well, we're not folding unless we have a REALLY strong read that we're beat, that's for sure. So the real question is do you lead out, or do you check raise all of your chips in. If you have a strong inclination that they'll bet, then check raise them.

Otherwise, I think I'd lead out for about 3/5ths of the pot. It allows other players to percieve it as weak, and come over the top of us (a good thing), and if the loose player has a draw of some sort, he may pay 700 chips to see the turn. Also, this leaves you with enough chips so that you can still make a pot-sized bet on the turn (which you should make on pretty much any turn card).

Also, you say you called because you're getting 5:1 on your money. However, that doesn't mean you're 5:1 to win. When you're low on chips, you need to double up stat, and whenever you invest your chips, you want the odds to be as much in your favor as possible. Raising to get 1 opponent (at most) will give you the best chance to win & survive. Things like getting 5:1 on your money (which is great in a cash game) becomes less important in a tournament.

Bottom line is that you completed the big blind in order to see a flop, and this is probably the best flop you'll see given the hand you called with. If you're not going to play this aggressively, then you should probably have folded preflop.
 
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DetroitJimmy

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Anyone else before I post results?

BTW,thank you for the reply and it makes sense.
 
jaketrevvor

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Push or chuck it pf imo - I vote chuck it as you have a whole free round ahead of you but given reads I can see a push as well. In the situation you are in though I think even though it is a vicious overbet we push as we want FE from AT/QT/JT/QJ/K9..., with these low stakes and loose players we need to make a stand so we don't have them outdrawing us cheaply etc.

We just don't have enough chips for c9's line imo, as we have another tough decision if we get called and a T or A pops off and it all gets a bit icky and comittal anyway - so why not shove straight off?
 
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i agree with other 2. You need to shove pre flop since you may not get an easier chance to gain an extra about 20% of your stack. On flop you need to be leading out with a 2/3 pot bet id say, and maybe fold to a reraise if you have a good read, if not just push it in and hope for the best
 
DetroitJimmy

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Well I lost the original HH so here we go.I did push post flop,was called by the BB who had TPNK and I won the hand.

The reason for me not pushing preflop is I knew I still had enough of a stack to damage someone if they called my all in within the next round.I thought for sure someone would have called me preflop and I didn't want to go out like that.

I did push post flop thinking I had the best hand and anything less than an all in would have made for hard decisions on later streets.Anything less and they would call to draw out on me too.

I don't know if it was the best way to play this preflop,nor do i care.This is how I chose to do it.Postflop I did what I thought had to be done and fortunately it worked out.

Thanks for all who posted and I do appreciate the different POV's on this situation.
 
momoney2

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M and the Red Zone

I'm glad the outcome of the hand worked out in your favor! But I have to agree with the others that I would have pushed all-in pre-flop as well. (At least I hope I would have.)
I just bought all 3 of the Harrington on Hold'em volumes a few months ago after reading Vol 1 that I had checked out from the library earlier this year. The reason I bring this up is I was just reading Harrington's advice on Red Zone play with low M values (Vol2). And the hand you have is far better than those that he was pushing all-in with.
In this situation you were not the first into the pot, however you were in the position to be the first to show any strength in the pot after repeated weak limps from the player to your right (button in this hand), and a weak player in the BB.
After reading HOH'E Vol1, my thinking may have been much like yours only considering the favorable pot odds; but now that I've begun reading Vol2, this appears to be a situation where all-in pre-flop aggression is in order.

I was glad to see that I was not one of the weak players listed in this hand with you. ;)
 
DetroitJimmy

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I'm glad the outcome of the hand worked out in your favor! But I have to agree with the others that I would have pushed all-in pre-flop as well. (At least I hope I would have.)
I just bought all 3 of the Harrington on Hold'em volumes a few months ago after reading Vol 1 that I had checked out from the library earlier this year. The reason I bring this up is I was just reading Harrington's advice on Red Zone play with low M values (Vol2). And the hand you have is far better than those that he was pushing all-in with.
In this situation you were not the first into the pot, however you were in the position to be the first to show any strength in the pot after repeated weak limps from the player to your right (button in this hand), and a weak player in the BB.
After reading HOH'E Vol1, my thinking may have been much like yours only considering the favorable pot odds; but now that I've begun reading Vol2, this appears to be a situation where all-in pre-flop aggression is in order.

I was glad to see that I was not one of the weak players listed in this hand with you. ;)


I have read HOH 1 and 2 only.Not only have I read them BOTH 3 times or more,I have absorbed the knowledge from them.From what I could see,Dan woulda called OR raised all in preflop.You can't always depend on the book for all the answers,but I do use it for a reference point.

The only question I really had was postflop.I was going to push preflop,but decided not to.If I had,there would be no post about it.

The reasons for me not pushing preflop are in the results post.Like them or not this is not the question asked.The question was:If played like this,what would you do?

So there ya go.
 
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