Tourny Hand, did I play this right?

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caesee

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I was playing in a $75 buy-in NL tounry, yesterday at my local b&m casino. It was the 8th round of the tourny, blinds were $1000-2000, with $100 ante, and there was 38 people left. As far as chip count I was 5th-10th, and the player I got involved with was 1th-5th. This was a very loose-agrresive table. The player in question was easy to read, any pair 9's or lower he would push all-in pre-flop, any pair 10's or better he would raise. I was under the gun and had AhKh I rasied to $3500. The entire table folded to the big blind, who pushed very quickly. From his play throughout the day I knew he had a middle pocket, at best. I decided to call, and he showed 77 the flop came
Ac2c9d, turn Ks, river 7s...

I have been replying this hand all night. Should I have limped in the under the gun? should I have folded, to stay in the tourny? any thoughts?

thanks
 
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Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

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Stack sizes? "1st-5th" and "5th-10th" could mean anything really. :p
 
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caesee

Guest
Well after the hnad he had $3000 more chips then me, overall before the hand he was about 4th, and I was about 6th as a guess..
 
Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

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Yeah, but exact stack sizes are important. If you had, say, 8k then I'd say open push preflop. If you had 20k, I'd say your pf raise was fine and to call. If you had 200k, then you could perhaps consider folding to his huge reraise. See the difference? :)

(I'm assuming you meant 1k/2k blinds)
 
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caesee

Guest
Dorkus Malorkus said:
Yeah, but exact stack sizes are important. If you had, say, 8k then I'd say open push preflop. If you had 20k, I'd say your pf raise was fine and to call. If you had 200k, then you could perhaps consider folding to his huge reraise. See the difference? :)

(I'm assuming you meant 1k/2k blinds)

ohhh..i had $35,000, he had $38,000 the chip lead was $55,000. He had a habit of showing all his hands, he made the same move on 2 people eariler pre-flop they both folded. The 1st hand he showed 2-2, the other hand one player showed qq, and he showed 55...i was happy with read,but unhappy with the river, lol
 
Coryan

Coryan

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Heads...no...no...I meant tails! Definately tails!

Well, you seemed to have a great read on this player and, therefore, you knew you were calling with nothing but a coinflip. Did you really want to put your tournament life on a coin flip? I am assuming that you were not yet in the money since most B/M tourneys don't pay 38 positions.

I definately raise this hand PF, but not sure I call if I am this positive it is just a coinflip. I want better than 50/50 (actually, you were a tad worse) when I put all my chips at risk IF I have not yet made the money. Once in the money, I will gamble these a bit more trying to get the big payoff.
 
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maxsanders_13

Enthusiast
Agreed, if your post said, he would always push with a weak ace, then go ahead and call, but why would you want to use your great read to get intoa coinflip, use a read like that to deice whether your 88 or 1010 is good... not to get a 50-50 with AK, AQ its not worth it....
 
titans4ever

titans4ever

Legend
I could see making this call if it was for 1/2 your stack to 1/4 of it but not for my tournament life. You played for 3-4 hours to end it on a coin flip. I think you overvalued big slick this time. You got lucky on the flop and he got lucky on the river.

Sounds like you were playing really good poker (6th in chips). I think you got impatient. Have you ever played that long before live? It is called the grind for a reason.
 
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jeffy324

Rising Star
i think i would call in this situation also. if i knew some chump was forcing people all-in with 55 or ace-weak. then i would be calling for sure, hoping he had ace-q. if it was 50/50 i would be praying for my life. or like you said he would have raised a little if he had AA or KK. I guess i would think of folding, but i would have calle
 
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Dingodaddy23

Guest
I think it's a call based on your reads The chances of him having a weaker ace even with the possibility of a coinflip I think it's +EV.
 
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thechern

Rock Star
Great read on the guy even if it was ovious. ANyway if you had AK suited and you knew he had a pocket pair theres nothing you can do to prevent that 7 coming up. I think you made the right decision as you knew what he was holding it was simply bad luck.
 
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lovetherivergods

Guest
AK hardest hand to play

At worst you were probably 50/50...you got to take some chances, and with ak, that's not a bad chance...that being said, sometimes when you have the best hand that doesn't mean you should call. While you could have had dominating hand, battle another time, when the odds are stronger in your favor, esepcially since you were a chip leader...don't risk your whole stack.
 
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mec1331

Guest
Ya with your read you said that he had mid pair, in which case you would be a coin flip at best and he would have the slight advantage. If I had this type of read I wouldn't want to risk my tourney and try and get lucky on the board. I don't think it is worth it. I probably would raise also, but if he went all-in and was pushing like this with mid-pairs all day I would fold and that would be the right fold. I wouldn't want to risk my tourney on ace high.
 
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truushot

Guest
Your play was very standard though your pre-flop bring in was too low. Not that it would necessarily effect the outcome of the hand. I still confused how you could raise so little. Standard raises are required to be in increments of the big blind so the minimum raise you could have made at those blinds was 2k. You didn't say how many chips you had and how much he raised though it was obviously all your chips. Depending on how much more it was to you, you could have folded to a huge reaise thinking that you don't need to get into a 50/50 at that stage of the tournament.
Overall, I don't understand your play, and don't understand your call if you knew that he most likely had an underpair.
 
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