Tough spot... for me at least.

[l Love Beer]

Just ITM, QualityFirst is a very strong/fairly tight player, we've been on 2 tables together (75% of the tournament) so far and macosi was new to the table... The average stack is right around 10K so i'm just under that...

I felt like i certainly couldn't call this bet... it was either shove or fold.

full tilt poker Game #6672647306: The Fifty-Fifty (50244570), Table 46 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:26:52 ET - 2008/06/03
Seat 1: macosi (25,532)
Seat 2: vantiff (10,110)
Seat 3: 5432Fold (14,515)
Seat 5: l Love Beer (8,030)
Seat 6: QualityFirst (14,661)
Seat 7: wolfman50 (11,369)
Seat 8: rocketeer12 (5,260)
Seat 9: crokie (20,150)
macosi antes 50
vantiff antes 50
5432Fold antes 50
l Love Beer antes 50
QualityFirst antes 50
wolfman50 antes 50
rocketeer12 antes 50
crokie antes 50
5432Fold posts the small blind of 250
l Love Beer posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to l Love Beer [8d 8c]
QualityFirst has 15 seconds left to act
QualityFirst raises to 1,500
wolfman50 folds
rocketeer12 folds
crokie folds
macosi calls 1,500
vantiff folds
5432Fold folds
l Love Beer has 15 seconds left to act
l Love Beer: damn this is a tough spot...
l Love Beer has requested TIME
5432Fold: rock and a hard place
l Love Beer folds <<<<<<<<<<<<<????? mistake?
*** FLOP *** [9s Qc 6h]
l Love Beer: hopefully i'll pat myself on the back later
QualityFirst bets 1,750
macosi has 15 seconds left to act
moe wins sits down
moe wins adds 6,195
macosi calls 1,750
*** TURN *** [9s Qc 6h] [Jh]
5432Fold: sometimes a good laydown is the best move
l Love Beer: you raise from anywhere else i'm in without a doubt
QualityFirst bets 1,950
doctor machine (Observer): SEE Y GUYS GL
macosi calls 1,950
*** RIVER *** [9s Qc 6h Jh] [Qd]
wolfman50: tx doctor
wolfman50: gl man
QualityFirst has 15 seconds left to act
QualityFirst bets 1,750
macosi calls 1,750


What to do...? I'll post the results later.

 

[The PoolBoy]

Am I missing something..you folded ? Think that is correct since you did miss flop entirely and would need to let it go anyway.

 

[l Love Beer]

I'm talking about the preflop decision...

Call? Shove? Fold?

I found this to be a particularly difficult decision, but maybe i just to much of a NIT.

 

[Jillychemung]

You have a tight solid player raising UTG and a caller. Your M is 6.7. I fold and find a spot where I can be 1st into the pot. At best you'll be racing in this spot.

 

[Chiefer]

i let it go preflop. you still have a decent stack and the blinds are not that high yet. you have time to wait for a better spot.

 

[nevadanick]

I agree with the fold pf. Bad position, 2 players already in a raised pf pot, both had you covered.

The second problem is discussing postflop. This is Full Tilt, and the flop produced might or might not have been what it was had you bet or been in the hand.

 

[switch0723]

agreed with the fold pf on the basis your shove isn't going to be called by a worse hand and you obviously aren't getting odds to flat call and set mine, or even to flat call and reevaluate.

 

[Jillychemung]

Would a stop-n-go be a too obvious ploy here? I think with macosi's stack size the s-n-g will not be successful enough times to make this profitable.

 

[wislim]

with your reads and your stack size insta fold and find a better spot to accumulate chips

 

[sliver101]

preflop against a tight player im folding mainly cause 8s have cost me lately but also ur covered by a tight player an an unknown

 

[The Shrog]

I'm going to go with the fold in this spot. At best you're flipping, and your M is high enough that you can look for a better spot.