Too Tight?

DaFrench1

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Small stakes so no biggie. But I was upset at the way this hand panned out which resulted in a 3rd place rather than 1st. Was I too tight to fold? would like feedback pls.




Hand Actions

Player Action Action Data Timestamp

DaFrench1
Set dealer/Bring in spot 6 02:37:32
jovol Ante/Small blind $ 100.00 02:37:32
moneyman6544
Big blind/Bring in $ 200.00 02:37:32
moneyman6544 Card dealt to a spot 6c
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Kh
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02:37:32
DaFrench1
Card dealt to a spot 9s
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9d
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02:37:32
jovol Card dealt to a spot 7h
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Ac
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02:37:32
DaFrench1
Raise $ 400.00 02:37:36
jovol Call $ 300.00 02:37:37
moneyman6544
Call $ 200.00 02:37:46
Betting round completed Last active pot = $1,200.00 02:37:46

Card dealt to table
9c
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6h
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7c
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02:37:46
jovol All-in $ 1,350.00 02:37:52
moneyman6544
Call $ 1,350.00 02:37:55
DaFrench1 Call $ 1,350.00 02:37:58
Betting round completed
Last active pot = $0.00
Side pot 10 = $5,250.00
02:37:58

Card dealt to table
3s
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02:37:58
moneyman6544
Check 02:38:00
DaFrench1 Bet $ 1,740.00 02:38:06
moneyman6544 Call $ 1,740.00 02:38:09
Betting round completed Last active pot = $3,480.00
Side pot 10 = $5,250.00
02:38:09

Card dealt to table
8c
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02:38:09
moneyman6544 Bet $ 2,100.00 02:38:16
DaFrench1 Fold $ 0.00 02:38:39
moneyman6544
Return uncalled portion of bet $ 2,100.00 02:38:39
Betting round completed Last active pot = $3,480.00
Side pot 10 = $5,250.00
02:38:41
moneyman6544 Showdown Show card: Pair 6
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6
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K
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9
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8
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02:38:41
jovol Showdown Show card: Pair 7
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7
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A
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9
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8
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02:38:41
moneyman6544
Hand result $ 3,480.00 02:38:41
jovol
Hand result $ 5,250.00 02:38:41
 
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Unless I'm missing it somewhere there is no info on stack sizes, which I think is very pertinent information in this hand.

To me the answer is yes, you played too tight. The straight is a possibility, but it's hard to imagine that they would've put that much money into the pot chasing a gutshot.
I think if you're going to call the all in on the flop you might as well push all in yourself. At that point your only behind 8T or 58, which is a slim possibility. I guess I would've made my stand here.

Just my .02
 
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These HH's from bodog are retarded.

When the guy first to act goes all in on the flop, reraise all in to try and isolate with top set.
 
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Well, you were playing are Flushes-r-us, so I would have worried about a flush chaser. When in the top three, the player are likely to be playing very loose so straight possiblities are there too.

But if I hit top trips and I'm in the money, I probably whould have gambled and pushed all in.

imho, yes in this case you were too tight.
 
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These HH's from bodog are retarded.

When the guy first to act goes all in on the flop, reraise all in to try and isolate with top set.



This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
Small stakes so no biggie.



Not This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If it doesn't matter, then what does it matter?
 
DaFrench1

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Quote: Unless I'm missing it somewhere there is no info on stack sizes, which I think is very pertinent information in this hand.

- Sorry, Bodog histories do suck, it took me ages just to format the first post semi-right. The stack sizes were:

moneyman6544
$6,855.00

DaFrench1

$6,395.00

jovol

$1,750.00


Quote: If it doesn't matter, then what does it matter?

- Well, I'm still learning and I wanted some feedback on the correctness of the play. Actually, thinking about it again today it was stupid not to call because although I was worried about villains hand even if I couldn't beat it I was quite certain to have beaten the desperation all-in pusher, and having the larger stack going in would have finished 2nd if beaten. However, my thinking at the time was that i was definitely leading after the flop, I was happy to call there to make sure it didn't flush on the turn. My bet there was more to move villain aside and letting him know I could take out the all-iner, I was suprised but pleased that he even called that, but when the river came he led straight into me with a mega raise, so I thought he had def hit the straight or flush and was thinking that if i got out of the way, he would take the all-iner out and I could still have a shot at him h2h, albeit with a reduced stack nut i have won many of these from a similar position. It was pretty disgusting when I saw his super weak hand get beat by the all-iner. I then pushed a couple of hands later with TPTK straight into villains KK.


 
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When the guy first to act goes all in on the flop, reraise all in to try and isolate with top set.

This. You most likely would have got moneymaker to go all in with you. This is what happens at low stakes. Don't read complicated play and trapping a lot at these levels. It's pretty much straight forward high pair-allin poker.
 
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U were playing to tight a 5 10 8 could shut u down there u should have re-rasied with top set, u played it poorly most of the way but the river was the correct fold.
 
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Replica

I had exactly the same situation happen today in the CC game. Flopped a set for my pp, the guy called me all the way to the river and then came with the big RR. The only threat this time was a flush, and seeing as the flush cards only came on turn and river I figured he couldn't have been chasing it. But guess what....
 
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I'll say something that I seem to say most times a set vs flush/straight draw question comes up:

1. The player on the flush/straight draw has 9 outs (35% for the turn and river) or less to hit their hand. Which means 65% of the time, if nobody improves you win.

2. You also have a draw to either quads or a full house, which has 7 outs (27% for the turn and river) on the flop or 10 outs (22% for the river) on the turn. So about 25% you'll win with a bigger hand, even if your opponent does improve.

3. In this case, you have top set on the flop, so you don't have to worry about the (albeit remote) possibility that you're trailing a higher set.

I'd agree with everyone else who's said shove the flop, and it's for the above reasons.
 
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Might not be a bad fold on the river. Lots of players will chase the gutshot if they have a pair as well. Plus the flush came. He'd be pretty dumb to value bet that river with anything less than a straight. So it's either a bluff or you're beat.

I don't think you should have had that decision to begin with. You got a big all-in and a call before you acted on the flop. Why slowplay? They're already putting their money in with reckless abandon. I say at least raise, if not all-in right there on the flop. Even if you want to let a card come off, your stack is smaller than the pot size on the turn, so that's another all-in opportunity missed.
 
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Unless I'm missing it somewhere there is no info on stack sizes, which I think is very pertinent information in this hand.

To me the answer is yes, you played too tight. The straight is a possibility, but it's hard to imagine that they would've put that much money into the pot chasing a gutshot.
I think if you're going to call the all in on the flop you might as well push all in yourself. At that point your only behind 8T or 58, which is a slim possibility. I guess I would've made my stand here.

Just my .02

Id do the same
 
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Actually, thinking about it again today it was stupid not to call because although I was worried about villains hand even if I couldn't beat it I was quite certain to have beaten the desperation all-in pusher, and having the larger stack going in would have finished 2nd if beaten.

This is true, but the difference between 1st and 2nd prize money is always much bigger than the difference between 2nd and 3rd prize money. If making the right play decreases your chances of finishing 2nd but increases your chances of finishing 1st, you'll often be better served by going for 1st.
 
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