some high-stakes HU hands

[blankoblanco]

analyze this

pokerstars Game #15275854270: Tournament #77384630, $5.25+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (15/30) - 2008/02/14 - 02:37:58 (ET)
Table '77384630 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: blankoblanco (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: vanquish331 (1500 in chips)
blankoblanco: posts small blind 15
vanquish331: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to blankoblanco [4h 8d]
blankoblanco: raises 1470 to 1500 and is all-in
vanquish331: calls 1470 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [6c 6d 8c]
vanquish331 said, "hahahaha"
*** TURN *** [6c 6d 8c] 6♠
*** RIVER *** [6c 6d 8c 6s] 7♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vanquish331: shows [Qh Js] (three of a kind, Sixes)
blankoblanco: shows [4h 8d] (a full house, Sixes full of Eights)
blankoblanco collected 3000 from pot



PokerStars Game #15275881706: Tournament #77384694, $5.25+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (15/30) - 2008/02/14 - 02:40:57 (ET)
Table '77384694 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: blankoblanco (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: vanquish331 (1500 in chips)
blankoblanco: posts small blind 15
vanquish331: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to blankoblanco [Kc Th]
blankoblanco: raises 1470 to 1500 and is all-in
vanquish331: calls 1470 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [3h Ks 4c]
*** TURN *** [3h Ks 4c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [3h Ks 4c Ts] J♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vanquish331: shows [4d 9h] (a pair of Fours)
blankoblanco: shows [Kc Th] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
blankoblanco collected 3000 from pot



PokerStars Game #15275896522: Tournament #77384846, $5.25+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (15/30) - 2008/02/14 - 02:42:34 (ET)
Table '77384846 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: vanquish331 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: blankoblanco (1500 in chips)
vanquish331: posts small blind 15
blankoblanco: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to blankoblanco [2d 7c]
vanquish331: raises 1470 to 1500 and is all-in
blankoblanco: calls 1470 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [8d 4h 5s]
*** TURN *** [8d 4h 5s] 2♣
*** RIVER *** [8d 4h 5s 2c] A♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
blankoblanco: shows [2d 7c] (a pair of Deuces)
vanquish331: shows [7h Kd] (high card Ace)
blankoblanco collected 3000 from pot

 

[shinedown.45]

Not much to analyze but I'll try to sum it up in 5 words: "It's either heads or tails"

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

you put each other to decisions for all your chips which doyal brunsoon says is good in supar system - well played imo.

 

[blankoblanco]

i'll try to explain my thought process in each hand

in hand 1 i pick up 48o. i decided that against a player like vanq it's important to establish control of the match from the start with a bold, aggressive move. normally a player wouldn't just shove all-in with a big hand because they'd want action but vanq knows i know this. furthermore he knows that i know that he knows this. so when i make this move he has to put me on at least KK. another thing is i had a lot of other pokerstars tournament windows open and i saw that there were a lot of big cards in most of the flops and no 4s or 8s. this meant even if he makes a donkey call with something like AK, there will be so many 4s and 8s left in the pokerstars deck that i'm usually about a 60/40 favorite. of course he called me with two face cards like a fish but justice prevailed

hand 2 takes place in a different sng immediately afterward. because i was just caught making a very advanced steal move i decided to use someting known as meta game. now i make the exact same sized raise all in (i also timed it exactly the same). with this perfect synchronization in my actions vanq has no real choice but to put me on the exact same hand that i had before: 48o. thus i lure him into a call with a confident 49o. this stuff is really above the rim, probably 18th level thinking. i hope you guys are keeping up

in the final hand i myself am the one facing a bold, aggressive all in move. when he makes this donkish overbet shove he's polarizing his range a lot. i put him on either the worst hands possible looking for a crafty steal or the virtual nuts. i calculated, in a matter of nanoseconds, that there are many more combinations of 2-3, 2-4, 2-5, and 2-6 than there are of KK or AA, so i tanked and made a tough but standard call. to my surprise he showed up with K7. my opponent actually performed a pretty high level range-merge here, but misplayed the turn and i was ultimately victorious

 

[blankoblanco]

so this is all standard, right?

 

[vanquish]

i should just unshoved the turn in the last one imo

 

[OzExorcist]

so this is all standard, right?

100%

I've got Doyle on the other line, he wants to know if you'll write the HU section of SS3

 

[tenbob]

1) - Fold P/f
2) - Fold P/f
3) - Fold P/f

Always wanted to do that.

 

[SubT33]

i'll try to explain my thought process in each hand

in hand 1 i pick up 48o. i decided that against a player like vanq it's important to establish control of the match from the start with a bold, aggressive move. normally a player wouldn't just shove all-in with a big hand because they'd want action but vanq knows i know this. furthermore he knows that i know that he knows this. so when i make this move he has to put me on at least KK. another thing is i had a lot of other pokerstars tournament windows open and i saw that there were a lot of big cards in most of the flops and no 4s or 8s. this meant even if he makes a donkey call with something like AK, there will be so many 4s and 8s left in the pokerstars deck that i'm usually about a 60/40 favorite. of course he called me with two face cards like a fish but justice prevailed

I want to analyze your explanation of the first hand. So let's try and break these levels of thinking down. You raise all-in. At the first and simplest level of thinking, this action represents a very strong hand, namely KK or AA. But because we want action with these types of starting hands, as you point out, normally people don't shove with such hands. So by that logic, the second level thinker would put you on a steal attempt with an inferior holding, otherwise you wouldn't have shoved. You would have instead played to get value out of your superior holding. This is where it gets tricky, I believe. The thinker on the third level wants to take advantage of the second level thinker, and so exploits his assumptions. "If he assumes I won't shove with a premium hand because I want value out of it, then I will go ahead and shove with a premium hand, and he'll think I have crap." From here the thinking just alternates back and forth between "well if he thinks I will/will not shove with a premium hand because he knows that I know he knows..." So where is level of thinking fall in the first hand example?

normally a player wouldn't just shove all-in with a big hand because they'd want action but vanq knows i know this

Could you explain this first sentence further? What is your conclusion at this level about what vanq is thinking?

 

[ChuckTs]

umm wtf 84o is like a sklanksksky group 18 hand???

I don't get the logic here maybe ur joking idk imo

 

[benevg]

what i do not understand is this: if vanq wanted to give you $15, why did you two have to give Stars $1.50 to achieve that? ultimately, playing HU with someone you know is just -EV

 

[Ronaldadio]

combuboom, u lost me after the first few hands!!!

I`m so confused I`m not even sure who won what or when .

But, to clarify, u knew that he knew that u would so u didnt - u did what u knew he thought u would not do?

If that is the case - simple great play !!!