Should I have played these differently

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I was recently in good shape in a 180 SNG and got my stack ruined by the following 2 hands. Looking for some opinions on how I played these. Should I have done it differently or should I write this kind of thing of to that's the way it goes sometimes. I have been getting knocked out close or at the bubble because of very similar situations to these.


pokerstars Game #15412054237: Tournament #78006478, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/02/19 - 23:25:30 (ET)
Table '78006478 8' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: asidesimple (12035 in chips)
Seat 2: Radles_7 (9130 in chips)
Seat 3: KingPRO1 (8645 in chips)
Seat 4: e1 ladron (6956 in chips)
Seat 5: WhateverFool (18090 in chips)
Seat 6: Cinderbella (5299 in chips)
Seat 7: hon512123 (4155 in chips)
Seat 8: jstnorv07 (17390 in chips)
Seat 9: someonelse (3050 in chips)
asidesimple: posts the ante 25
Radles_7: posts the ante 25
KingPRO1: posts the ante 25
e1 ladron: posts the ante 25
WhateverFool: posts the ante 25
Cinderbella: posts the ante 25
hon512123: posts the ante 25
jstnorv07: posts the ante 25
someonelse: posts the ante 25
asidesimple: posts small blind 150
Radles_7: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [Kd Ks]
KingPRO1: folds
e1 ladron: folds
WhateverFool: folds
Cinderbella: folds
hon512123: folds
jstnorv07: raises 300 to 600
someonelse: raises 300 to 900
asidesimple: folds
Radles_7: folds
jstnorv07: raises 16465 to 17365 and is all-in
someonelse: calls 2125 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Kc Qh 6d]
*** TURN *** [Kc Qh 6d] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Qh 6d Ts] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jstnorv07: shows [Kd Ks] (three of a kind, Kings)
someonelse: shows [As Jh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
someonelse collected 6725 from pot
jstnorv07 said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6725 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Qh 6d Ts 3s]
Seat 1: asidesimple (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Radles_7 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: KingPRO1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: e1 ladron folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: WhateverFool folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Cinderbella folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: hon512123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jstnorv07 showed [Kd Ks] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 9: someonelse (button) showed [As Jh] and won (6725) with a straight, Ten to Ace


PokerStars Game #15412500682: Tournament #78006478, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2008/02/19 - 23:49:10 (ET)
Table '78006478 8' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: terppoker21 (15260 in chips)
Seat 2: Radles_7 (7375 in chips)
Seat 3: Jasonguru (16555 in chips)
Seat 4: e1 ladron (15155 in chips)
Seat 5: WhateverFool (19235 in chips)
Seat 6: lousycards (4725 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 7: hon512123 (4255 in chips)
Seat 8: jstnorv07 (14875 in chips)
Seat 9: someonelse (5550 in chips)
terppoker21: posts the ante 50
Radles_7: posts the ante 50
Jasonguru: posts the ante 50
e1 ladron: posts the ante 50
WhateverFool: posts the ante 50
hon512123: posts the ante 50
jstnorv07: posts the ante 50
someonelse: posts the ante 50
hon512123: posts small blind 300
jstnorv07: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [Js Ks]
someonelse: calls 600
terppoker21: folds
Radles_7: folds
Jasonguru: calls 600
e1 ladron: folds
WhateverFool: calls 600
hon512123: folds
jstnorv07: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s Jh 2s]
jstnorv07: bets 600
someonelse: raises 600 to 1200
Jasonguru: folds
WhateverFool: folds
jstnorv07: raises 2400 to 3600
someonelse: raises 1300 to 4900 and is all-in
jstnorv07: calls 1300
*** TURN *** [3s Jh 2s] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [3s Jh 2s Kh] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jstnorv07: shows [Js Ks] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
someonelse: shows [Ac 3c] (three of a kind, Threes)
someonelse collected 12900 from pot
jstnorv07 said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12900 | Rake 0
Board [3s Jh 2s Kh 3h]
Seat 1: terppoker21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Radles_7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jasonguru folded on the Flop
Seat 4: e1 ladron folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: WhateverFool (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: hon512123 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jstnorv07 (big blind) showed [Js Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 9: someonelse showed [Ac 3c] and won (12900) with three of a kind, Threes
 
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Friends don't let friends min-raise or min-bet flops.

Other than that, you got your hand in with the best of it, so no problems there. Just start raising preflop that's at least 2.5-3.5x the big blind. Min-raising is pointless. No one is folding to a min-raise that would limp in, and players that want to see a flop will pay more than just an extra big blind to do so.

In the second hand when you flopped top pair + a flush draw, bet a real sized bet. You're very lucky you got raised there, on a flop where you want to get your money in.
 
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i dont see what u did wrong with either hands..
 
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Friends don't let friends min-raise or min-bet flops.

Other than that, you got your hand in with the best of it, so no problems there. Just start raising preflop that's at least 2.5-3.5x the big blind. Min-raising is pointless. No one is folding to a min-raise that would limp in, and players that want to see a flop will pay more than just an extra big blind to do so.

In the second hand when you flopped top pair + a flush draw, bet a real sized bet. You're very lucky you got raised there, on a flop where you want to get your money in.

Both these hands were fairly late in the tourney and getting close to the bubble. I find that people are less likely to limp even to a min raise and I will get the type of reaction from weaker players that I got on the KK which I think is exactly what I am looking for except that I am not winning them as often as I would expect to. Actually, I find myself losing that hand more often than winning. In the second hand I was trying to get a feel for the AJ which was the hand I was most concerned with losing to. His little reraise gave me all the information I needed to push him a little harder but again I found myself exactly where I think I want to be and feel like I am losing in these situations more often than winning. I didn't save the hand that knocked me out but I had about 4000 chips left and decided to try and limp with Q10s on the button as I had not seen anything close to playable since that second hand above that I lost. Same player..."someonelse" limped from the small blind....flop was QJ7...I pushed all in and he called with an AQ. I got no help turn or river and got knocked out at #20. He now had 18000 chips with an average stack size of ~12K. About 8 hands later a shortstack pushed allin the top stack reraised allin and he called. Shortstack had 99 topstack had 1010 and the guy who took all my chips had AQo and did not receive any help from the board this time. He went out #18 and ITM. When I am in this position late in the game I found myself getting knocked out like this way too often so I tried something different and played very tight and found myself ITM more but with just enough chips to play a few hands and get a min payout. Since I have tried a few different strategies late in the tourney and seem to be getting similar results I was trying to come up with the best way to play there. With a little more info from me here would you give me the same advice or do you think there might be a better way to handle this?

p.s. I really appreciate your feedback
 
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I find that people are less likely to limp even to a min raise
This is just because the button is closer, so they're less likely to limp period. No matter what the raise.

And when you had KK, and you min-raised preflop. What are you going to do when you want to steal the blinds? Min-raise as well? You need a standard raise that is folding away hands when you need it to get folds, yet still gets called by hands you beat. I think a happy medium is about 2.5-3xBB this late in the tournament.

In the second hand I was trying to get a feel for the AJ which was the hand I was most concerned with losing to.
Why are you concerned with AJ? You're 40% to beat AJ, even if he is holding the ace of spades! You should be stacking here in a tournament, especially one this loose.

played very tight and found myself ITM more but with just enough chips to play a few hands and get a min payout
It really depends on what the min payout is. In a 10 man SnG, the money for 3rd place isn't all that bad. But for a freeroll, getting 30th place out of 1000 only gets you 25 cents!

But if this barely making the money & then bubbling out problem is happening often, then it sounds like you're afraid of getting your money in bad a little too much. You should be looking to grow your stack in the middle stages of the tournament, and its okay to take risks to grow your stack. Play a lot of hands just for their implied odds. Target stacks that are bigger than yours, and try to see flops cheaply against them with hands like suited connectors, and small pocket pairs. And be willing to coinflip with the shortstacks if the pot odds are in your favor.

And above all, when growing your stack, use aggression to take down pots! Do a lot of (real) raising preflop, and put in c-bets that force stacks to have a solid hand before they call you. You're not c-betting anyone off a flop by throwing a single big blind into the pot.
 
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Yeah im With them. u played ur hands correctly. just pure bad luck on ur part. u had ur hands in with u in great position to win just bad luck.
 
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I'm still in this tourney right now but got cut down with the chip lead on the following hand:

PokerStars Game #15437271626: Tournament #78137282, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/02/21 - 01:21:23 (ET)
Table '78137282 18' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: bozo2u (2710 in chips)
Seat 2: JOSHakaKUSH (5210 in chips)
Seat 3: carituetano (3590 in chips)
Seat 4: slicksam24 (4875 in chips)
Seat 5: Truace (3515 in chips)
Seat 6: baznz (1441 in chips)
Seat 7: skunkssabath (8895 in chips)
Seat 8: PoopLips (5440 in chips)
Seat 9: jstnorv07 (10380 in chips)
bozo2u: posts the ante 25
JOSHakaKUSH: posts the ante 25
carituetano: posts the ante 25
slicksam24: posts the ante 25
Truace: posts the ante 25
baznz: posts the ante 25
skunkssabath: posts the ante 25
PoopLips: posts the ante 25
jstnorv07: posts the ante 25
JOSHakaKUSH: posts small blind 150
carituetano: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [Jc Kc]
slicksam24: folds
Truace: calls 300
baznz: folds
skunkssabath: calls 300
PoopLips: folds
jstnorv07: calls 300
bozo2u: calls 300
JOSHakaKUSH: calls 150
carituetano: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c Ac 6h]
JOSHakaKUSH: checks
carituetano: checks
Truace: bets 600
skunkssabath: calls 600
jstnorv07: calls 600
bozo2u: raises 1785 to 2385 and is all-in
JOSHakaKUSH: folds
carituetano: folds
Truace: calls 1785
skunkssabath: calls 1785
jstnorv07: calls 1785
*** TURN *** [8c Ac 6h] [Tc]
Truace: checks
skunkssabath: checks
jstnorv07: bets 900
Truace: calls 805 and is all-in
skunkssabath: calls 900
*** RIVER *** [8c Ac 6h Tc] [8s]
skunkssabath: bets 5285 and is all-in
jstnorv07: calls 5285
*** SHOW DOWN ***
skunkssabath: shows [8d Ah] (a full house, Eights full of Aces)
jstnorv07: shows [Jc Kc] (a flush, Ace high)
skunkssabath collected 10760 from side pot-2
Truace: shows [Kd Ad] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
skunkssabath collected 2415 from side pot-1
bozo2u: shows [7h As] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
skunkssabath collected 11565 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 24740 Main pot 11565. Side pot-1 2415. Side pot-2 10760. | Rake 0
Board [8c Ac 6h Tc 8s]
Seat 1: bozo2u (button) showed [7h As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 2: JOSHakaKUSH (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: carituetano (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: slicksam24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Truace showed [Kd Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 6: baznz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: skunkssabath showed [8d Ah] and won (24740) with a full house, Eights full of Aces
Seat 8: PoopLips folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jstnorv07 showed [Jc Kc] and lost with a flush, Ace high


Read the posts after the hand and am thinking you would suggest I should have went allin on the turn. I was thinking I had the NUTS or I would have. Let me know your thoughts here. Thanks
 
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As far as the tourney's I play in go I am pretty much addicted to $4 180s and the hands are from those tourneys.
 
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Still in this tourney and I have to share what I think may be my greatest victory ever even though I probably played it wrong. The BB was not sitting out.

PokerStars Game #15437801745: Tournament #78137282, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2008/02/21 - 02:04:53 (ET)
Table '78137282 18' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: JOSHakaKUSH (17087 in chips)
Seat 3: skunkssabath (24259 in chips)
Seat 4: slicksam24 (5850 in chips)
Seat 5: plav-r (18732 in chips)
Seat 7: wezvidzz (12991 in chips)
Seat 8: depew33 (11690 in chips)
Seat 9: jstnorv07 (6005 in chips)
JOSHakaKUSH: posts the ante 50
skunkssabath: posts the ante 50
slicksam24: posts the ante 50
plav-r: posts the ante 50
wezvidzz: posts the ante 50
depew33: posts the ante 50
jstnorv07: posts the ante 50
jstnorv07: posts small blind 300
JOSHakaKUSH: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [4h 4c]
skunkssabath: folds
slicksam24: folds
plav-r: folds
wezvidzz: folds
depew33: folds
jstnorv07: calls 300
JOSHakaKUSH: folds
jstnorv07 collected 1550 from pot
jstnorv07: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1550 | Rake 0
Seat 2: JOSHakaKUSH (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: skunkssabath folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: slicksam24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: plav-r folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wezvidzz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: depew33 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jstnorv07 (small blind) collected (1550)
 
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Finished 9th on this hand:

PokerStars Game #15438219470: Tournament #78137282, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2008/02/21 - 02:45:29 (ET)
Table '78137282 15' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: JOSHakaKUSH (22462 in chips)
Seat 2: jstnorv07 (11960 in chips)
Seat 3: depew33 (64097 in chips)
Seat 4: alee82 (15199 in chips)
Seat 5: plav-r (16405 in chips)
Seat 6: hurfdirty8 (28366 in chips)
Seat 7: R_Sheazy (21807 in chips)
Seat 8: ubarguy (24795 in chips)
Seat 9: skunkssabath (64909 in chips)
JOSHakaKUSH: posts the ante 125
jstnorv07: posts the ante 125
depew33: posts the ante 125
alee82: posts the ante 125
plav-r: posts the ante 125
hurfdirty8: posts the ante 125
R_Sheazy: posts the ante 125
ubarguy: posts the ante 125
skunkssabath: posts the ante 125
alee82: posts small blind 600
plav-r: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [4d 4s]
hurfdirty8: raises 2400 to 3600
R_Sheazy: folds
ubarguy: folds
skunkssabath: folds
JOSHakaKUSH: calls 3600
jstnorv07: calls 3600
depew33: folds
alee82: folds
plav-r: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s Qc 7h]
hurfdirty8: checks
JOSHakaKUSH: checks
jstnorv07: bets 8235 and is all-in
hurfdirty8: calls 8235
JOSHakaKUSH: folds
*** TURN *** [2s Qc 7h] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [2s Qc 7h 5s] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hurfdirty8: shows [Ts Th] (two pair, Tens and Deuces)
jstnorv07: shows [4d 4s] (two pair, Fours and Deuces)
hurfdirty8 collected 30195 from pot
depew33 said, "nh hurf"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30195 | Rake 0
Board [2s Qc 7h 5s 2d]
Seat 1: JOSHakaKUSH folded on the Flop
Seat 2: jstnorv07 showed [4d 4s] and lost with two pair, Fours and Deuces
Seat 3: depew33 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: alee82 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: plav-r (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: hurfdirty8 showed [Ts Th] and won (30195) with two pair, Tens and Deuces
Seat 7: R_Sheazy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ubarguy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: skunkssabath folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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On hand #15437271626 I think I might have gone AI after the flop but it's doubtful that skunkssabath would have folded.
On hand #15438219470 I would have check/folded. I don't see how you can move 2 people off that flop. I would have laid 44 down preflop due to Gap Concept.
 
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I have to say that I am doing a lot better in these tourneys thanks to the advice that I have received here. I am currently in 1st place with 12 people left. Here is the hand that got me there. I was able to pull this off because I was consistently playing by the suggestions made here. I am pretty sure I was beat.

PokerStars Game #15457018771: Tournament #78230940, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2008/02/21 - 22:04:22 (ET)
Table '78230940 14' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: BuddyLee18 (55466 in chips)
Seat 3: travisbikel (17520 in chips)
Seat 5: aeovian (12498 in chips)
Seat 6: jstnorv07 (36865 in chips)
Seat 7: MobbiMobbsen (4909 in chips)
Seat 8: defence18 (24640 in chips)
Seat 9: tony6547 (33160 in chips)
BuddyLee18: posts the ante 75
travisbikel: posts the ante 75
aeovian: posts the ante 75
jstnorv07: posts the ante 75
MobbiMobbsen: posts the ante 75
defence18: posts the ante 75
tony6547: posts the ante 75
MobbiMobbsen: posts small blind 400
defence18: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [Ac Ks]
tony6547: folds
BuddyLee18: folds
travisbikel: folds
aeovian: folds
jstnorv07: raises 2400 to 3200
MobbiMobbsen: folds
defence18: raises 4800 to 8000
jstnorv07: calls 4800
*** FLOP *** [9d 8s Jh]
defence18: bets 7200
jstnorv07: calls 7200
*** TURN *** [9d 8s Jh] [7s]
defence18: checks
jstnorv07: bets 21590 and is all-in
defence18: folds
jstnorv07 collected 31325 from pot
jstnorv07: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 31325 | Rake 0
Board [9d 8s Jh 7s]
Seat 1: BuddyLee18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: travisbikel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: aeovian folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jstnorv07 (button) collected (31325)
Seat 7: MobbiMobbsen (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: defence18 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: tony6547 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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in the first hand the villian got a lucky ten to make his str.. in the second hand, talk about luck and variance. you just got it served to you.. not much you can do in either situation
 
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My call with the small pocket pair here would not be typical but the person who raised was playing any 2 cards all day. I decided I would call and go allin regardless of the flop. It was the right call but I got my typical result.

PokerStars Game #15493066209: Tournament #78421702, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/02/23 - 12:07:06 (ET)
Table '78421702 9' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: jstnorv07 (4679 in chips)
Seat 3: Taylor Dean (8708 in chips)
Seat 4: annazara (13090 in chips)
Seat 6: hahahhaa (11897 in chips)
Seat 7: F4T_5T4CK5 (20890 in chips)
Seat 8: Timeless_ch (7897 in chips)
Seat 9: Naegers (3768 in chips)
jstnorv07: posts the ante 25
Taylor Dean: posts the ante 25
annazara: posts the ante 25
hahahhaa: posts the ante 25
F4T_5T4CK5: posts the ante 25
Timeless_ch: posts the ante 25
Naegers: posts the ante 25
jstnorv07: posts small blind 200
Taylor Dean: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [6c 6d]
annazara: folds
hahahhaa: raises 1600 to 2000
F4T_5T4CK5: folds
Timeless_ch: folds
Naegers: folds
jstnorv07: calls 1800
Taylor Dean: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 2d 3s]
jstnorv07: bets 2654 and is all-in
hahahhaa: calls 2654
*** TURN *** [8c 2d 3s] [Qc]
hahahhaa said, "thx"
*** RIVER *** [8c 2d 3s Qc] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jstnorv07: shows [6c 6d] (a pair of Sixes)
hahahhaa: shows [5d Qs] (a pair of Queens)
hahahhaa said, "cya"
hahahhaa collected 9883 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9883 | Rake 0
Board [8c 2d 3s Qc 9h]
Seat 2: jstnorv07 (small blind) showed [6c 6d] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 3: Taylor Dean (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: annazara folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: hahahhaa showed [5d Qs] and won (9883) with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: F4T_5T4CK5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Timeless_ch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Naegers (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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This is a good one. Three people in. I have the best preflop hand and finish 3rd:

PokerStars Game #15525936110: Tournament #78585972, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/02/24 - 17:49:20 (ET)
Table '78585972 18' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: QuatelHelix (1775 in chips)
Seat 2: Mosimann_BR (4460 in chips)
Seat 3: mailman0808 (3660 in chips)
Seat 4: jstnorv07 (2815 in chips)
Seat 5: hoshimishu (1486 in chips)
Seat 6: SwitchMan70 (5260 in chips)
Seat 7: dai dot (740 in chips)
Seat 8: knuppels (2350 in chips)
Seat 9: axl2rose (3244 in chips)
axl2rose: posts small blind 50
QuatelHelix: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [Jd Js]
Mosimann_BR: folds
mailman0808: folds
jstnorv07: raises 200 to 300
hoshimishu: raises 500 to 800
SwitchMan70: folds
dai dot: calls 740 and is all-in
knuppels: folds
axl2rose: folds
QuatelHelix: folds
jstnorv07: raises 2015 to 2815 and is all-in
hoshimishu: calls 686 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Ac 8s 6s]
*** TURN *** [Ac 8s 6s] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Ac 8s 6s 2d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jstnorv07: shows [Jd Js] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
hoshimishu: shows [Qh Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
hoshimishu collected 1492 from side pot
dai dot: shows [8h 8d] (a full house, Eights full of Aces)
dai dot collected 2370 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3862 Main pot 2370. Side pot 1492. | Rake 0
Board [Ac 8s 6s 2d Ad]
Seat 1: QuatelHelix (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Mosimann_BR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mailman0808 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jstnorv07 showed [Jd Js] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 5: hoshimishu showed [Qh Ah] and won (1492) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: SwitchMan70 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dai dot showed [8h 8d] and won (2370) with a full house, Eights full of Aces
Seat 8: knuppels (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: axl2rose (small blind) folded before Flop
 
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My call with the small pocket pair here would not be typical but the person who raised was playing any 2 cards all day. I decided I would call and go allin regardless of the flop. It was the right call but I got my typical result.

PokerStars Game #15493066209: Tournament #78421702, $4.00+$0.40

I'd be looking for the tables this player was on and be targeting him all day / every day.
 
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PokerStars Game #15437801745: Tournament #78137282, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2008/02/21 - 02:04:53 (ET)
Table '78137282 18' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: JOSHakaKUSH (17087 in chips)
Seat 3: skunkssabath (24259 in chips)
Seat 4: slicksam24 (5850 in chips)
Seat 5: plav-r (18732 in chips)
Seat 7: wezvidzz (12991 in chips)
Seat 8: depew33 (11690 in chips)
Seat 9: jstnorv07 (6005 in chips)
JOSHakaKUSH: posts the ante 50
skunkssabath: posts the ante 50
slicksam24: posts the ante 50
plav-r: posts the ante 50
wezvidzz: posts the ante 50
depew33: posts the ante 50
jstnorv07: posts the ante 50
jstnorv07: posts small blind 300
JOSHakaKUSH: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [4h 4c]
skunkssabath: folds
slicksam24: folds
plav-r: folds
wezvidzz: folds
depew33: folds
jstnorv07: calls 300
JOSHakaKUSH: folds
jstnorv07 collected 1550 from pot
jstnorv07: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1550 | Rake 0
Seat 2: JOSHakaKUSH (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: skunkssabath folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: slicksam24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: plav-r folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wezvidzz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: depew33 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jstnorv07 (small blind) collected (1550)


How, just how did that happen lol? that is taking being a nit to a new extreme
 
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To be fair I should post it when I suckout. I needed a runner runner suckout on this one but his bet on the turn made me think he didn't hit the Q. The pot was approx 3200 when he bet and there was a potential flush draw he would want to knock off if he paired the Q. At least that's what I was thinking.

PokerStars Game #15529310879: Tournament #78595179, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/02/24 - 20:16:39 (ET)
Table '78595179 11' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: B.Bomber29 (7240 in chips)
Seat 2: Chardonnay57 (3670 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: jstnorv07 (4535 in chips)
Seat 4: master ringo (4820 in chips)
Seat 5: tHron1 (4160 in chips)
Seat 6: phanson333 (4845 in chips)
Seat 7: 88<ATOM>06 (20810 in chips)
Seat 9: Quintana.Jez (7390 in chips)
B.Bomber29: posts the ante 25
Chardonnay57: posts the ante 25
jstnorv07: posts the ante 25
master ringo: posts the ante 25
tHron1: posts the ante 25
phanson333: posts the ante 25
88<ATOM>06: posts the ante 25
Quintana.Jez: posts the ante 25
jstnorv07: posts small blind 150
master ringo: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [7s 7d]
tHron1: folds
phanson333: calls 300
88<ATOM>06: folds
Quintana.Jez: raises 600 to 900
B.Bomber29: folds
Chardonnay57: folds
jstnorv07: calls 750
master ringo: folds
phanson333: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Qd 6d 4s]
Chardonnay57 has returned
jstnorv07: checks
phanson333: bets 1200
Quintana.Jez: folds
jstnorv07: raises 2410 to 3610 and is all-in
phanson333: calls 2410
*** TURN *** [Qd 6d 4s] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 6d 4s 8h] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jstnorv07: shows [7s 7d] (a straight, Four to Eight)
phanson333: shows [Kc Qc] (a pair of Queens)
jstnorv07 collected 10420 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10420 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 6d 4s 8h 5d]
Seat 1: B.Bomber29 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Chardonnay57 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jstnorv07 (small blind) showed [7s 7d] and won (10420) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 4: master ringo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: tHron1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: phanson333 showed [Kc Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: 88<ATOM>06 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Quintana.Jez folded on the Flop
 
CrackaNACtion

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yeah i wouldve done same thing. and yeah i agree find this kid evreyday lol
 
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Just curious... do you have any idea what place I finished in that tourney? It looks like I moved up in my chipstack from the first hand (which you didn't play awfully, it would've been the same call from that guy either way - tripling the blind or shoving all in, and he's not folding with a draw and an overcard) to the second hand!
Good luck to ya'
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To be fair I should post it when I suckout. I needed a runner runner suckout on this one but his bet on the turn made me think he didn't hit the Q. The pot was approx 3200 when he bet and there was a potential flush draw he would want to knock off if he paired the Q. At least that's what I was thinking.

PokerStars Game #15529310879: Tournament #78595179, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/02/24 - 20:16:39 (ET)
Table '78595179 11' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: B.Bomber29 (7240 in chips)
Seat 2: Chardonnay57 (3670 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: jstnorv07 (4535 in chips)
Seat 4: master ringo (4820 in chips)
Seat 5: tHron1 (4160 in chips)
Seat 6: phanson333 (4845 in chips)
Seat 7: 88<ATOM>06 (20810 in chips)
Seat 9: Quintana.Jez (7390 in chips)
B.Bomber29: posts the ante 25
Chardonnay57: posts the ante 25
jstnorv07: posts the ante 25
master ringo: posts the ante 25
tHron1: posts the ante 25
phanson333: posts the ante 25
88<ATOM>06: posts the ante 25
Quintana.Jez: posts the ante 25
jstnorv07: posts small blind 150
master ringo: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jstnorv07 [7s 7d]
tHron1: folds
phanson333: calls 300
88<ATOM>06: folds
Quintana.Jez: raises 600 to 900
B.Bomber29: folds
Chardonnay57: folds
jstnorv07: calls 750
master ringo: folds
phanson333: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Qd 6d 4s]
Chardonnay57 has returned
jstnorv07: checks
phanson333: bets 1200
Quintana.Jez: folds
jstnorv07: raises 2410 to 3610 and is all-in
phanson333: calls 2410
*** TURN *** [Qd 6d 4s] 8♥
*** RIVER *** [Qd 6d 4s 8h] 5♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jstnorv07: shows [7s 7d] (a straight, Four to Eight)
phanson333: shows [Kc Qc] (a pair of Queens)
jstnorv07 collected 10420 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10420 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 6d 4s 8h 5d]
Seat 1: B.Bomber29 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Chardonnay57 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jstnorv07 (small blind) showed [7s 7d] and won (10420) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 4: master ringo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: tHron1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: phanson333 showed [Kc Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: 88<ATOM>06 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Quintana.Jez folded on the Flop

Wait, so since there's a flush draw he'd bet his Q, so you check-shove this guy? Don't get the logic behind this play at all. It seems you're playing for stacks way too much with a pocket pair when there's an overcard on the board.
 
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Just one of those thangs. I busted out the other day w/AK on a 3AA flop.
I don't mind the min raises all that much, certainly not with the Kings. At this late stage in a tournament when the blinds are high relative to stack sizes, you'll often see the table fold to any bet. You want to raise, but you don't want to discourage action.
 
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Other than #15438219470 and #15529310879, jstnorv07 played the hands perfectly it seems like. i'm not going to go through all the hands, lets just take the first two he posted with his KK and KJ to prove my point. he min raised and GOT the villain to reraise....that's exactly what i want my opp to do at that point and get all my chips in there w/ the best of it. had he raise standard, maybe the villain will feel that he won't get him to fold or whatever and decide just to fold. 2nd hand...he bets min w/ top pair K kicker and gets the villain to RAISE him w/ 2nd pair (wow!) how awesome is that and gets the rest of his chips in there with the best of it. maybe he'll play the hands differently next time maybe he won't....but most of these examples he showed, he got exactly what he wanted......other than the results.

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