Readdressing the "don't bet into a dry side pot" issue

Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

What's a guy to do?

Villain is one of the biggest donks I've ever seen, calling station who is also prone to bluffing with small bets a lot, but I don't know if he'd bluff into a dry side pot in a situation like this or not.

On reflection I think my decision here is pretty obvious, but I fear I'm being a little results-oriented, so here's the hand, results later. There's a possibility I should have pushed pf, but for the sake of this topic please ignore that. >.>

full tilt poker Game #635196212: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (4172930), Table 1 - 200/400 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:48:02 ET - 2006/05/13
Seat 1: Qhr1s0 (9,310)
Seat 8: psylence (2,730)
Seat 9: SWB64 (1,460)
psylence posts the small blind of 200
SWB64 posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Qhr1s0 [6d 6s]
Qhr1s0 raises to 1,000
psylence calls 800
SWB64 has 15 seconds left to act
SWB64 raises to 1,460, and is all in
Qhr1s0 calls 460
psylence calls 460
*** FLOP *** [Ah 2c 5s]
psylence checks
Qhr1s0 checks
*** TURN *** [Ah 2c 5s] [2h]
psylence bets 400 <--- wtf
Qhr1s0 hates life and... calls/pushes/folds?


no reads, i'd have to fold. He's betting 1/3 of whats remaining of his stack and has to have a hand here. I don't understand his flop check, but that's $5 SnGs for ya
Though i can understand the argument of paying him off - pot is pretty large, but stacking him off would double one of them up for sure.
i know you said no comments on PF action, but a push or a big 1600 raise would eliminate the complication of making this decision...


Cardschat Elite
Based on the size of the pot, I'd make the call. Correct me if I'm wrong on pot odds, but you are calling 400 to win over 4,000 so thats 10-1 pot odds? It seems to me the 400 bet is more of a feeler bet to see if you hit the flop. I wouldn't put him on trip 2's based on the preflop call of 4x the BB. I still think you are beat but the call is worth it for a chance at a 6 on the river.


Stinks of a value bet, bluffing here is useless for him. Even though this is crying out for a call, id be inclined to fold here.


Rock Star
Here's an example from Pocket 5s: When it IS ok to bet into the dry side pot

Seat 2: MelbourneJoe (1030 in chips)
Seat 3: Uffe500 (2320 in chips)
Seat 4: neonlighting (855 in chips)
Seat 5: gidders (2780 in chips)
Seat 6: ohhan (2905 in chips)
Seat 7: jdarr2 (2695 in chips)
Seat 9: apoch (915 in chips)

apoch: posts small blind 50
MelbourneJoe: posts big blind 100

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to gidders [Jd Ah]

Uffe500: folds
neonlighting: raises 755 to 855 and is all-in
gidders: calls 855
ohhan: calls 855

jdarr2: folds
apoch: folds
MelbourneJoe: folds

*** FLOP *** [5c 5d 4d]

gidders: checks
ohhan: checks

*** TURN *** [5c 5d 4d] [4c]

gidders: bets 500
ohhan: folds

*** RIVER *** [5c 5d 4d 4c] [8c]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

neonlighting: shows [Js Qd] (two pair, Fives and Fours)
gidders: shows [Jd Ah] (two pair, Fives and Fours - Ace kicker)

gidders collected 2715 from pot

ohhan: ak
gidders: i know, thats why i bet


Man I hate that! I will usually fold there if hes a solid player. But if he loses the hand and you would have had the shortstack beat, I PRAY TO GOD that the shortstack comes back and takes them out. I cant stand it when people do this.