Quack, Quack.....crap!



Apr 20, 2005
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13 players left, I was 5th in chips during this had.

pokerstars Game #8654103143: Tournament #44059198, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/02/27 - 15:18:33 (ET)
Table '44059198 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: glasmacher69 (10015 in chips)
Seat 2: hhjung1 (5400 in chips)
Seat 3: ToperHarley1 (1395 in chips)
Seat 5: JWM05 (1810 in chips)
Seat 8: BakerBob (6815 in chips)
Seat 9: titans4ever (5460 in chips)
glasmacher69: posts small blind 100
hhjung1: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to titans4ever [2c 2h]
ToperHarley1: folds
JWM05: calls 200
BakerBob: calls 200
titans4ever: raises 400 to 600 (wanted to raise to 800 but messed up, duh)
glasmacher69: folds
hhjung1: folds
JWM05: folds
BakerBob: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [4h 8s 8c]
BakerBob: bets 6215 and is all-in
titans4ever: ?????????

1st, should I have raised this pot and how much?
2nd, what do you do with the all-in?

My thoughts will be in white under this line.
I folded thinking I will still have plenty of chips and he could have easily called w/ 87 or any pocket pair. The all-in is a goat bet to get me to commit all my chips when he has the nuts or something better than me.
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Jan 14, 2006
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i tend to drop low pairs this late from any position that isnt co/b


Feb 16, 2007
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Well here are my non-expert thoughts.

1. I would have raised to 800, maybe 1000. You would want to represent power with the smallest pair. The bad thing about that is on the button it may appear you are attempting a steal. But the smaller raise made it easier for him to call. Only 400 more.

2. I would fold to the all in. If he is holding ANY pocket pair, he has you beat at this point. And if he is holding 44 or 88, whoa. I think that is doubtful though, he would probably slow play either of those. Also, he would have probably raised pre flop with a pair instead of just call the blinds originally.

The smaller raise makes it easier for him to call pre flop with something like A8s, 87s, 98s or even T8s. Even if you hit a 2 on the turn or river, he could have trip 8's.

I would guess he probably hit trip 8's with a low kicker and wanted to take the pot right there. Maybe he thought you had an over pair didn't want you drawing to higher trips or a FH.
Elvis Henry

Elvis Henry

Feb 16, 2006
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22 is a terrible hand for a variety of reasons. The most compelling to me is this scenario against AK:

Board: J43J4

AK wins. Used to happen to me all the time back in the days when I mistakenly thought that 22 versus AK was the same as QQ versus AK.



Dec 13, 2006
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I think 22 is good to raise and steal with in LP, or MP when folded to.

But with two limpers in EP, one of them is bound to call you and its hard 2 play 22 postflop so i tend 2 fold it when i think im gonna get called.

Also postflop id fold.

He could have a whollle bunch of hands that beat us and that go allin on this board especially higher PP. and hes in a good stack position so hed be jeopardizing a lot with a complete bluff. If he is then well played for him, id still fold it.
Dorkus Malorkus

Dorkus Malorkus

Jul 12, 2005
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Call/fold preflop, either is okay. The small raise you made is absolutely the worst thing you can do here, and any larger raise commits a large portion of your stack preflop to 22 against two preflop limpers in a $1 donkament, who are likely to call with their soooooted cards or whatever. You don't want to be playing for set value with about a sixth of your stack in the pot.

As played the flop shove makes me suspicious, but I'm not calling it.


Oct 9, 2006
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I tend to treat 22 as only the next hand up from A high. ANd since I don't play many A high hands unless I am way far the chip leader, 22 aint much. Call if u must, but realize that anything else is essentialy a semi bluff at best. And mostly wishfull thinking.

IMHO and incidently, so far today It has been good on the felt for me...


Rock Star
Aug 14, 2006
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...fold to the all-in like a man kicked in the balls.