Pstars $10 SNG NL. flop 2 pair - what do u do ???

[Ronaldadio]

Hi all. Here is a hand. What do u think he has and what would you do???

PokerStars Game #9112525212: Tournament #46314289, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/03/27 - 07:55:47 (ET) Table '46314289 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: hmsflanders (1480 in chips) Seat 2: schal (1510 in chips) Seat 3: Patrick483 (1270 in chips) Seat 4: ronaldadio (1620 in chips) Seat 5: 34t 5h1t (1520 in chips) Seat 6: go1hemi (1450 in chips) Seat 7: pitchx (1420 in chips) Seat 8: untdairlines (1720 in chips) Seat 9: Skills (1510 in chips)
Patrick483: posts small blind 10
ronaldadio: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ronaldadio [Jh 9h]
34t 5h1t: calls 20
go1hemi: calls 20
pitchx: folds
untdairlines: calls 20
Skills: folds
hmsflanders: folds
schal: folds
Patrick483: calls 10
ronaldadio: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc Jc 9s]
Patrick483: checks
ronaldadio: bets 100
34t 5h1t: calls 100
go1hemi: calls 100
untdairlines: folds
Patrick483: folds
*** TURN *** [Qc Jc 9s] [4d]
ronaldadio: bets 300
34t 5h1t: calls 300
go1hemi: folds
*** RIVER *** [Qc Jc 9s 4d] [Kd]
ronaldadio: checks
34t 5h1t: bets 400
ronaldadio: ???????

 

[ChuckTs]

Pretty quick fold for me.

What does he bet with here that you have beat? Maybe something like A9c trying to bluff the straight, but a bluff by your typical player at this $10 level will most probably be a push rather than one disguised as a value bet.

This is either KQ, KJ, Tx or a (terribly) slowplayed set the majority of the time I think.

 

[DaveE]

had the same thing

Posted a freakishly similar hand this month. Same flop 9JQ and 2 pair, but JQ for me. I got reraised all in post flop and was crushed by K 10.
Learned my lesson.....fold.
Too many hands have you beat. Wouldn't be surprised if you're facing the same flopped str8.

 

[tosborn]

I agree with what Chuck said, but, on another subject.

I personally don't like to check from the BB with that many limpers. Because even with a good flop such as this we don't know if we are ahead or not.

Can we bet this preflop any differently to protect the blind? Would a 4BB bet be enough to chase anyone from the hand?

Not to say that checking here was wrong, because it isn't. We do however have a marginal hand, and are quite possibly ahead of a few people.

How good does a hand need to be to try and protect the blind? I'm not going to protect with 27 or 410 etc. But, there has to be a range that is worth trying to protect.

I'm just kind of rambling, but, any input on this subject would be great.

 

[Ronaldadio]

Here is the whole hand...

I was wrong

PokerStars Game #9112525212: Tournament #46314289, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/03/27 - 07:55:47 (ET) Table '46314289 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: hmsflanders (1480 in chips) Seat 2: schal (1510 in chips) Seat 3: Patrick483 (1270 in chips) Seat 4: ronaldadio (1620 in chips) Seat 5: 34t 5h1t (1520 in chips) Seat 6: go1hemi (1450 in chips) Seat 7: pitchx (1420 in chips) Seat 8: untdairlines (1720 in chips) Seat 9: Skills (1510 in chips)
Patrick483: posts small blind 10
ronaldadio: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ronaldadio [Jh 9h]
34t 5h1t: calls 20
go1hemi: calls 20
pitchx: folds
untdairlines: calls 20
Skills: folds
hmsflanders: folds
schal: folds
Patrick483: calls 10
ronaldadio: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc Jc 9s]
Patrick483: checks
ronaldadio: bets 100
34t 5h1t: calls 100
go1hemi: calls 100
untdairlines: folds
Patrick483: folds
*** TURN *** [Qc Jc 9s] [4d]
ronaldadio: bets 300
34t 5h1t: calls 300
go1hemi: folds
*** RIVER *** [Qc Jc 9s 4d] [Kd]
ronaldadio: checks
34t 5h1t: bets 400
ronaldadio said, "u got a 10, I know... ;-)"
ronaldadio: folds
34t 5h1t collected 1000 from pot
34t 5h1t: shows [Ac 2c] (high card Ace)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1000 | Rake 0
Board [Qc Jc 9s 4d Kd]
Seat 1: hmsflanders folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: schal (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Patrick483 (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 4: ronaldadio (big blind) folded on the River Seat 5: 34t 5h1t collected (1000) Seat 6: go1hemi folded on the Turn Seat 7: pitchx folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: untdairlines folded on the Flop Seat 9: Skills folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

I like a small ~200 blocking bet on the river, makes it easier for us to fold if raised and heck, something like AJ might still call us.

As played I fold river.

 

[Ronaldadio]

I like a small ~200 blocking bet on the river, makes it easier for us to fold if raised and heck, something like AJ might still call us.

As played I fold river.

I did Chris, but I was shocked to see a bluff. My read was the guy was chasing the straight!!!

 

[ChuckTs]

I agree with what Chuck said, but, on another subject.

I personally don't like to check from the BB with that many limpers. Because even with a good flop such as this we don't know if we are ahead or not.

Can we bet this preflop any differently to protect the blind? Would a 4BB bet be enough to chase anyone from the hand?

Not to say that checking here was wrong, because it isn't. We do however have a marginal hand, and are quite possibly ahead of a few people.

How good does a hand need to be to try and protect the blind? I'm not going to protect with 27 or 410 etc. But, there has to be a range that is worth trying to protect.

I'm just kind of rambling, but, any input on this subject would be great.

Blinds are at 10/20; they're really not worth defending at this point. If we raise, we'll be out of position with J9 against probably 2 players minimum. Really bad spot to 'defend' blinds. I think we should be happy to see a free flop with this hand.

I only raise here with probably TT+ maybe 99, and probably even check AJ, and raise AQ+.

I was wrong

Wow...gotta credit villain with a very nice bluff here. Still an easy fold for me, though. I do like the blocking bet that Chris mentioned though.

 

[Ronaldadio]

Oneof those situations I think chuck. I think he would have come over the top anyway, but we`ll never know. The same guy went out about 10 hands later He called a 5 times bb raise. flop AQ10. The other guy raised, he pushed all in. The other guy called with AA v the bluffer with pocket 3`s !!

 

[t1riel]

I would have bet more after the turn. Don't give him odds to call on a possible straight draw.

 

[deonjahy]

first of all dont play at stars their algorythym is the farthest off of "random number generating" than any other major site/network and also dont play a sng with more than 1/20th of your bankroll at any given time yeah it is early on in the tournament and it is not neccessary to defend your blinds but this is a perfect spot to get ahead in the tourney and selectively bully your opponents the rest of the game i would have bet half the pot on the flop as a feeler bet and then when the 4 hit and obviously didnt improve anyone then all in on the turn and if you get unlucky and someone really did have the str8 off the flop then pray for a jack or a 9 on the river you have better odds of hitting that then they did of flopping a str8 anyway remember you cant win em all but a tight/ aggressive style of play in the beggining while the donks weed themselves out is the best approach until you get that "one" big hand to double up with oh and fyi you have about a 2% chance of flopping 2 pair with any 2 random cards so take advantage of that b4 someone else takes advantage of you

 

[Passion_play]

It was too early in the tournament to get that deep into the hand, It is to bad he showed you, It probably threw for the rest of the tournament! Bummer, sorry

 

[smells_flushy]

I would have bet more after the turn. Don't give him odds to call on a possible straight draw.

Agreed. A bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush.

 

[Tas2828]

With him showing that overaggressive bluff, he opened his self up to get buried later anyway. He should have just taken the chips and told you you were right. By the way you made the right play by laying those down. Someone taking you that deep will have a made hand 9 out of 10 times, in my opinion anyway.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

He's betting 300 into a 400 pot with one card to come. He's not giving his opponent 'odds to call with a straight draw'.

 

[Ronaldadio]

Thanks for the replies guys.

By the sounds of things I think u all would have folded.

I`m pleased that I did also because this has been a part of my game I leak chips - I never believe they have a hand!!! As Tas2828 said, I think 9 out of 10 times it will not be a bluff.

I have a lot of respect for the regulars on here, Chuck, DM & t1riel - sry if I don`t recognise all of the rest, and its a confidence booster that u guys, in the main, think I played the hand as well as could be played & under the same situation u would have layed the hand down. Ty fellas

 

[Dingodaddy23]

i like a flop checkraise. hopefully thin out some of those drawy hands. i'd probably make a pot size bet on a safe turn.