Potripper-ish hand I saw on PStars last night

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Here's the converted version:

Sunday Million $215 - January 14, 2008

Stacks: - 68PABLO with 324535 - JSlacker with 320018 - jvtilt with 233428 - bonzi530 with 613338 - Launagis with 201784 - Greenstone25 with 458571 - alarmo17 with 277176 - tjalle with 593792 - DTR98QT with 555340

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Blinds: 15000/30000
Site: Pokerstars
- 7 players fold.
- 68pablo calls [15000]
- JSlacker: checks
- Total folds this street: 7
- Potsize: 60000
Flop:
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- 68PABLO: checks
- jslacker bets [60000]
- 68pablo calls [60000]
- Potsize: 180000
Turn:
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- 68PABLO: checks
- JSlacker: checks
- Potsize: 180000
River:
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- 68pablo bets [90000]
- jslacker calls [90000]
Results:
- 68PABLO shows two pair, Jacks and Sevens:
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- JSlacker shows two pair, Jacks and Sevens - Queen kicker:
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- JSlacker collected 387000 from pot
 
pantin007

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with 2 pair on the board i will call queen hi...............not really
it is fishy but there is an explanation ::::he probably thought that SB would have raised with a king or ace and because he didnt he thought he had it on high card
when the SB just called the bet on the flop he but him on a pair but because the board paired twice it comes off as unlikely that he had a 7 or jack which would have made BB to think SB had a pair of 6's with no real kicker,thats probably why he called


or he could have been drunk
 
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This is a few tables before the final table at least 6 or 7 hours into the tournament, there has to be some kind of mentality of don't get tricky and spew off chips when you've gotten this far. It's just way too close to the final to be making crying calls like this and leave yourself with only 3 blinds if you're wrong, especially when the bet at the end looks more like a value bet than a bluff alot of times. I've seen scared underpairs shove all in at the river when they get counterfeited by higher two pairs when it is deep in a tourny and the pot is too significant to the stacks to let go. When it's early and the pot pales to the stack sizes, it's usually just a check/fold by the underpair. I don't know how you can assume the guy is on a draw/nothing when he calls your bet, bet's an amount on the river that makes you want to call instead of fold, AND you're on a draw yourself.

If he put him on a 6, it would make no sense, because decent players know their underpair is counterfeited and wouldn't value bet at the end. Check/fold, or make a shove to keep from showing down the hand.
 
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maybe chip dumping using multi-able accounts but doubt it, drunk theory is more likely.
 
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cant really be dumping seeing that they are both pretty even and short on chips

it possibly was a tired/lossing focus call
 
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It was very deep in the tournament, which is why the stacks look so small.

Bad time to be drunk/tired when the payout between the last 60 places and first is like $195,000 difference.

Still though, I shudder at the thought that other sites besides Absolute could possibly have their own "potrippers" finish deep in big tournaments.
 
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honestly i dont think it is quite possible on PS
because of the fact that there are so much ppl watching form the site itself that something would have come up by now if it was actually happening
if nothing ever happened on AP this post probably would not even exist :)
 
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If nothing every happened?

I think you meant to say: "If Absolute did not get caught for ripping off its customers, as it had been doing for God knows how long and is now trying to put the blame on one rogue employee coughBULL****cough"

Sure, of course, if they hadn't gotten caught, hadn't accidentally leaked too much information to one person, which eventually comes to all of us, it would be exactly like it was pre-October 2007, we'd all still be innocent sheep bashing anyone who says online poker is rigged, whilst Absolute would still be robbing it's customer's and we'd be none the wiser :)

Honestly, I think this hand would still be here simply because it had me asking myself WTF the whole time or maybe, just maybe, the guy plays lots of $10 Heads up SNG's, forgot that this was a full ring MTT, and that $210,000 is on the line here.
 
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I would bet that there are thousands of hands like this every day. Find a thousand from 1 player and you'll have something.
 
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If he showed down Ace or King high, it would be nothing unusual to me. If this were a low stakes Heads up SNG or cash game I could understand. I guess calling down with Q high would be standard in this kind of spot if u had a good read on a well disguised bluff... even though being wrong will cost you a chance at two hundred thousand dollars when it's so close in reach....
 
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Seems to me way too much is being read into this hand. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Preflop no biggie, minimal action post flop; leading with up and down draw, calling with overcard. Check-check on turn is the key- I think leading with another pop acting first puts it to rest. Not following up with a bet on 4th st. SCREAMS WEAKNESS to me, and with 2 pair showing, queen high is actually favored over a random hand at the river. I find no fault in either play really, other than checking the turn when SB had assumed the lead. In general, I see nothing fishy here, just a gutsy call at a crucial time.
 
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I agree with Dave. This has to be a call based on previous hands. Ballst to say the least.
 
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absolutely nothing suspicious here. He obviously thought a king or ace raises pre flop. Villain probably would have led out with a jack on the flop, probably wouldnt have checked the jack on the turn if he called flop. River bet scream busted draw most likely a straight draw in some way. I can see me making this call with a few reads on a player that tells me he raises with a king or an ace and bets pairs.
 
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i agree with hillbilly watch his play and see if there is a pattern . with all you guys , how could they think that they could cheat us and not get cought.keep up the good work and ty.
 
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Yeah, I'm really not blown away by this call. It's big but not THAT big. I don't expect an ace or a king to value bet that river out of position. They obviously think their hand is good because they called with A/K high on the flop, but there's only very little value in betting there. To me, the only question here is would the SB have slowplayed a jack this way. It's definitely possible, but a straight draw is more likely.

I probably wouldn't have made the call, but there were some good legitimate reasons for making it.
 
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I can also see myself making snap calls like this easily... even if first place means a 200k difference... right... and I could also make a lot of flawless decisions in any other situation in hindsight.
Somehow checking always had to signal nothing/draw, I check top pair a whole lot heads up (especially with a weak kicker), if it's the only way to get chips from a smaller pair or an aggro, frequent semi bluffing player like Jslacker. If I lead out with top pair, top two pair, top trips, or mid pair, he's obviously gone, with no chance of winning chips from bluffs or bad value bets from weaker hands.
 
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A 93 off, 9 hi call would have been more suspect..LMAO..i would make that call all day depending on the reads...busted draw on the replay..nuff said:cool:
 
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