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thechern

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I was recently playing a tournament and i had a hand of 8 8. I had the small stack and I raised 4x the big blind. The big stack had me 3-1 and he was my only caller.


The Flop Came - Q 2 Q. I hit my two pair and checked it, so did he.

The Turn Came - 3. I put in a bet of 45 big blind was 15.

The River Came - 9. I bet the same amount and he raised me all in.


I had my two pair and with 9 people at the table i didnt think he had the queen . I ended up calling him and he had a queen. I got 10th of 45 and still got some decent money. Was it worth it with the small stack to call that raise or should i have laid it down?
 
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If you were already in the money and were looking to better your position, then you made the right call. When you are the short stack you have got to take chances. Sometimes they pay off, and sometimes they don't. But at least you still got paid and you aren't regretting not calling.
 
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We need to know exactly how big your stack was, to tell you if you made the right play. On the river I would probaly have check-called instead of bet-called. Your hand isn't exactly strong and it's possible your opponent has a great hand. If he doesn't have a hand, you're allowing him to bluff at the pot where he will fold if you bet again.
 
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thechern said:
I put in a bet of 45 big blind was 15.
I got 10th of 45
Please tell me this was a live tournament with blinds starting at 1/2 or something.
 
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thechern said:
I got 10th of 45 and still got some decent money.

What site pays decent money for 10th place in a field of 45?
 
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I would have probably layed down...he probably called you with preflop AQ? <--that's my guess...who knows. . . you would have made more money just to sit around awhile...
 
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robwhufc said:
What site pays decent money for 10th place in a field of 45?
You have to remember--he's 15 years old. His idea and your idea of "decent money" probably differ somewhat. :p

thechern said:
I had my two pair and with 9 people at the table i didnt think he had the queen .
I see two flaws with this statement.

First: "I had my two pair..."--When the board pairs, I don't really take that into account for my hand unless it is improving it; i.e. giving me trips, full house. Sure a pocket pair and a paired board give you two pair, but those Qs also apply to everyone else as well, and if anyone has a Q in their hand, your "2 pair" is basically toast.

Second: "...with 9 people at the table I didnt think he had the queen." Actually with a full table, it's more likely that he does have the queen. More cards are being dealt out, there for increasing the odds that a queen would be out there. If you were at a short-handed table, ok, then it is less likely. But not with a full table.

How is it that you ended up 10th out of 45 when the blind levels were only at 15 (which would indicate that the tournament is in it's early stages)? That one perplexes me a bit. And what site has a BB at 15? Do you mean the blinds were 15/30?

Bottom line, with 88 and a small stack you need to push pre-flop in my opinion. I'm curious to know what else besides the Q your opponent was holding?
 
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