MrDaMan
Visionary
Silver Level
I think I have a hole in my tournament game, which I need to analyze. This is the hand that knocked me out in a 10-dollar tourney on pokerstars. I’ve been experimenting with aggression and have over the long run been fairly successful at it. Let me run through this hand then let’s see what you guys think.
PokerStars Game #9689795447: Tournament #48887754, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Level XI (600/1200) - 2007/04/30 - 21:45:34 (ET)
Table '48887754 129' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: mbvfn (21004 in chips) <<<< I have a note on this guy from PDB 27 Final tables 50K plus in winnings. So I know he’s a good and savvy player.
Seat 2: Felicis (60244 in chips)
Seat 3: duffer2262 (54565 in chips)
Seat 4: lindsay55 (12740 in chips)
Seat 5: headache1969 (26130 in chips)
Seat 6: Diamonddawg (16615 in chips)
Seat 7: Sprayed (36798 in chips)
Seat 8: MrDaMan (19641 in chips)
mbvfn: posts the ante 75
Felicis: posts the ante 75
duffer2262: posts the ante 75
lindsay55: posts the ante 75
headache1969: posts the ante 75
Diamonddawg: posts the ante 75
Sprayed: posts the ante 75
MrDaMan: posts the ante 75
MrDaMan: posts small blind 600
mbvfn: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDaMan [Ad Js]
Felicis: folds
duffer2262: folds
lindsay55: folds
headache1969: folds
Diamonddawg: folds
Sprayed: folds
MrDaMan: raises 2400 to 3600
DrZebra is connected
mbvfn: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [8d 9c 6h]
MrDaMan: bets 3600
mbvfn: raises 13729 to 17329 and is all-in
OK I know he’s a savvy and good player. I think either he re-raised because he hit a set or he’s put me on A/K and was trying to push me off the pot. I didn’t think about it long, (first mistake) I went with my gut thinking he was just trying to push me off the pot since we were so close to the bubble. I figured if he has hit one of those cards on the flop at minimum I have 2 over cards and 6 outs. I called.
MrDaMan: calls 12366 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8d 9c 6h] <font color='red'>4♥</font>
*** RIVER *** [8d 9c 6h 4h] <font color='red'>5<font face="arial">♦</font></font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MrDaMan: shows [Ad Js] (high card Ace)
mbvfn: shows [Qd 9d] (a pair of Nines) He called from the BB 2400 caught a 9 probably putting me on A/K and tried pushing me off the pot. A pretty daring move on his part, I could have had anything with the way I pre-flop bet, then bet the flop from pocket 10’s and up.
mbvfn collected 39732 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 39732 | Rake 0
Board [8d 9c 6h 4h 5d]
Seat 1: mbvfn (big blind) showed [Qd 9d] and won (39732) with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: Felicis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: duffer2262 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lindsay55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: headache1969 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Diamonddawg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Sprayed (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MrDaMan (small blind) showed [Ad Js] and lost with high card Ace
You finished in 294th place (eliminated at hand #9689795447).
151 hands played and saw flop:
- 8 times out of 17 while in small blind (47%)
- 8 times out of 17 while in big blind (47%)
- 15 times out of 117 in other positions (12%)
- a total of 31 times out of 151 (20%)
Pots won at showdown - 6 out of 12 (50%)
Pots won without showdown - 13
I’ve been thinking about this hand over and over and truthfully if I’m not getting all my chips in and being drawn out on and knocked out that way. Then this is the type of hand that either gets me in trouble or knocks me out.
I would say 80% of the time It’s the getting drawn out on that knocks me out, and something like this 20%
What I’m wondering about is aggression, most of the time when I make that continuation bet, especially at these blind levels I don’t get challenged. Even in the lower blind levels because of my tight aggressive, position and selective aggression image I rarely get challenged. Usually when I feel resistance or the opponent has too many chips or my opponents image/betting pattern gives me the right impression I’ll fold.
One thought I had was that I have notes on this guy, he’s a good player he’s probably got notes on me. He had a read on me or hasn’t played me since I’ve stopped playing a tight/passive game. He might have thought from his notes that I was very conservative and could be pushed off the pot. I’m thinking that maybe it’s good that I called even if I lost because he’ll have to update his notes that I am the kind of guy who will call his all-in when challenged. Or conversely that I’m a “donk” and will call his all-in without hitting the flop. LOL I guess that’s up to him. I don’t recommend he does that though I took more notes on him and the next time were in a pot together, I’ll have more information to work with.
In the mean time I have to work on this leak. First I realize I had enough information on this guy to fold after his re-raise all-in, an all-in raise is one heck of a significant tell. It was a dumb call. My bad I’m responsible for that.
What I’m wondering now is if I should change up my betting aggression. When I lead out on a pre-flop raise like this one, I have A/J in the SB and everyone has folded around to me it’s 3 to 4 X the blind. Early in the tournament I’ll often bet the size of the pot as a continuation bet, but as the blinds increase like it is here in this hand at 1200 a pot sized bet can represent easily 1/3 or half your stack if your average to below average stacked.
I need to put enough of a bet out there to convince the opponents that I have either hit the flop or that I’m sitting on an overpair to the flop or a set. I need to do this without putting too many of my chips at risk. I was wondering if anyone here has a formula or betting style/trick to help with this kind of action.
I used to play my A/K and A/Q with a 3X pre-flop raise and if I didn’t hit, I wouldn’t bet, I would hope it gets checked down, and fold to any bet. Since I’ve changed my style to tight aggressive I have doubled the amount of cashes and final tables over what I’ve done in the past. So I know I’m doing this part right, aggression is really key to winning but I’ve got to learn to temper it a bit I think. Think more, still be aggressive, tight but risk less chips for the same effect. Any ideas?
PokerStars Game #9689795447: Tournament #48887754, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Level XI (600/1200) - 2007/04/30 - 21:45:34 (ET)
Table '48887754 129' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: mbvfn (21004 in chips) <<<< I have a note on this guy from PDB 27 Final tables 50K plus in winnings. So I know he’s a good and savvy player.
Seat 2: Felicis (60244 in chips)
Seat 3: duffer2262 (54565 in chips)
Seat 4: lindsay55 (12740 in chips)
Seat 5: headache1969 (26130 in chips)
Seat 6: Diamonddawg (16615 in chips)
Seat 7: Sprayed (36798 in chips)
Seat 8: MrDaMan (19641 in chips)
mbvfn: posts the ante 75
Felicis: posts the ante 75
duffer2262: posts the ante 75
lindsay55: posts the ante 75
headache1969: posts the ante 75
Diamonddawg: posts the ante 75
Sprayed: posts the ante 75
MrDaMan: posts the ante 75
MrDaMan: posts small blind 600
mbvfn: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrDaMan [Ad Js]
Felicis: folds
duffer2262: folds
lindsay55: folds
headache1969: folds
Diamonddawg: folds
Sprayed: folds
MrDaMan: raises 2400 to 3600
DrZebra is connected
mbvfn: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [8d 9c 6h]
MrDaMan: bets 3600
mbvfn: raises 13729 to 17329 and is all-in
OK I know he’s a savvy and good player. I think either he re-raised because he hit a set or he’s put me on A/K and was trying to push me off the pot. I didn’t think about it long, (first mistake) I went with my gut thinking he was just trying to push me off the pot since we were so close to the bubble. I figured if he has hit one of those cards on the flop at minimum I have 2 over cards and 6 outs. I called.
MrDaMan: calls 12366 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8d 9c 6h] <font color='red'>4♥</font>
*** RIVER *** [8d 9c 6h 4h] <font color='red'>5<font face="arial">♦</font></font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MrDaMan: shows [Ad Js] (high card Ace)
mbvfn: shows [Qd 9d] (a pair of Nines) He called from the BB 2400 caught a 9 probably putting me on A/K and tried pushing me off the pot. A pretty daring move on his part, I could have had anything with the way I pre-flop bet, then bet the flop from pocket 10’s and up.
mbvfn collected 39732 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 39732 | Rake 0
Board [8d 9c 6h 4h 5d]
Seat 1: mbvfn (big blind) showed [Qd 9d] and won (39732) with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: Felicis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: duffer2262 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lindsay55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: headache1969 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Diamonddawg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Sprayed (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MrDaMan (small blind) showed [Ad Js] and lost with high card Ace
You finished in 294th place (eliminated at hand #9689795447).
151 hands played and saw flop:
- 8 times out of 17 while in small blind (47%)
- 8 times out of 17 while in big blind (47%)
- 15 times out of 117 in other positions (12%)
- a total of 31 times out of 151 (20%)
Pots won at showdown - 6 out of 12 (50%)
Pots won without showdown - 13
I’ve been thinking about this hand over and over and truthfully if I’m not getting all my chips in and being drawn out on and knocked out that way. Then this is the type of hand that either gets me in trouble or knocks me out.
I would say 80% of the time It’s the getting drawn out on that knocks me out, and something like this 20%
What I’m wondering about is aggression, most of the time when I make that continuation bet, especially at these blind levels I don’t get challenged. Even in the lower blind levels because of my tight aggressive, position and selective aggression image I rarely get challenged. Usually when I feel resistance or the opponent has too many chips or my opponents image/betting pattern gives me the right impression I’ll fold.
One thought I had was that I have notes on this guy, he’s a good player he’s probably got notes on me. He had a read on me or hasn’t played me since I’ve stopped playing a tight/passive game. He might have thought from his notes that I was very conservative and could be pushed off the pot. I’m thinking that maybe it’s good that I called even if I lost because he’ll have to update his notes that I am the kind of guy who will call his all-in when challenged. Or conversely that I’m a “donk” and will call his all-in without hitting the flop. LOL I guess that’s up to him. I don’t recommend he does that though I took more notes on him and the next time were in a pot together, I’ll have more information to work with.
In the mean time I have to work on this leak. First I realize I had enough information on this guy to fold after his re-raise all-in, an all-in raise is one heck of a significant tell. It was a dumb call. My bad I’m responsible for that.
What I’m wondering now is if I should change up my betting aggression. When I lead out on a pre-flop raise like this one, I have A/J in the SB and everyone has folded around to me it’s 3 to 4 X the blind. Early in the tournament I’ll often bet the size of the pot as a continuation bet, but as the blinds increase like it is here in this hand at 1200 a pot sized bet can represent easily 1/3 or half your stack if your average to below average stacked.
I need to put enough of a bet out there to convince the opponents that I have either hit the flop or that I’m sitting on an overpair to the flop or a set. I need to do this without putting too many of my chips at risk. I was wondering if anyone here has a formula or betting style/trick to help with this kind of action.
I used to play my A/K and A/Q with a 3X pre-flop raise and if I didn’t hit, I wouldn’t bet, I would hope it gets checked down, and fold to any bet. Since I’ve changed my style to tight aggressive I have doubled the amount of cashes and final tables over what I’ve done in the past. So I know I’m doing this part right, aggression is really key to winning but I’ve got to learn to temper it a bit I think. Think more, still be aggressive, tight but risk less chips for the same effect. Any ideas?