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feramorzz

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$55 buy in live tournament
$1500 starting chips
Blinds: $25 $25
Site: Casino - Brick & Mortar

Full table, 5th hand of tournament. Don't have too many reads on anyone as yet, except player to my left is loose and drunk at 10:20AM. He's been at it since 11:00 the night before.

Preflop:
Dealt to Hero(me): Qh Qs
**- UTG - folds
**- Seat 4 - folds
**- Seat 5 - Hero - Raises to $100
**- Seat 6 - Drunk - Calls 100
**- Seat 7 folds
**- Seat 8 folds
**- Seat 9 folds
**- Seat 10 - Dealer calls 100
**- SB folds
**- BB calls 100
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Four players in the pot; Big blind, Hero, drunk and dealer see the flop.
Flop comes: 8S 8C 8H

BB checks

Hero, that is I, what do I do? What would you do to maximize gain, minimize risk etc.? Thanks in advance, and I'll update with how the hand played out.
 
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I would lead out with a small raise hoping to induce a bluff here. Only 2 hands beat you at the moment AA KK....doubt he has the 8 here. If he calls and a safe card comes I bet really aggressive.
 
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I would make a more aggressive raise...eg pot size...doubt AA or KK...
 
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feramorzz

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Sweet...and here's what happens next!

My thoughts exactly...

Hero bet 500
Drunk to my left promptly calls 500
Dealer thinks for perhaps 5 seconds and goes all in for 1500.
Big blind folds

Hero has $900 left, drunk to my left also has $900 left. Now what do I do?
 
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Call, flip up your queens, ask out loud why do they always have aces or kings after he flips them up, hope for a queen on turn or river, go to buffet when one doesn't come.

But, at least it was only the 5th hand, so you got out early. :)
 
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Call. There are only 2 real hands you're behind here (AA KK) and without a reraise preflop I doubt either has the goods.
 
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feramorzz

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At the risk of this being a bad beat, is there a way out?

So I'm all in, and the drunk is all in, and I'm praying for a smaller pair. That either someone has a smaller pair, or they're attempting to draw with AK, AQ, or something like that.

And the drunk flips up A2 OS, and the dealer has 8d 9H and takes it with quads!

I made some money at the cash tables so it wasn't all bad, but I had to wait two and a half hours for my buddy to finish 4th overall, and while all this is going on, I'm attempting to find a way to get out of this hand. Fortunately I didn't go back to the tables. Made like I was watching the Australian open and mulled over quitting & taking a break from poker.

Should I have folded to the all in from the dealer? How often do I run into quads to fold a flopped full house with queens? Folding is pretty -ve EV at this stage right? Or is it reasonable considering it is still early in the tourney? Any other thoughts? Thanks again, and these forums have been great. Long time lurker, first time poster!
 
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This isnt a definate but what i find when playing drunks is that they wont raise with nothing. They generally call with nothing but raise with the goods. Of course that isnt always the situation, and you shouldnt be thinking of laying down the above hand, but remember that in other situation when a drunk raises you and you have a weak hand.
 
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There is no way you can avoid this situation. You are going to win the pot more times than lose it in this type of situation, so don't beat yourself up about it.
 
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When you have the 3rd best pair on the board and there is two other people in the hand and somebody goes all in; now is the time to fold the hand reguardless of what type of player he is. This is what seperates the pros from the amateurs. Dont rely on luck; rely on making the great decision to fold and play to win the whole tournament always.
 
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You have the 4th nuts, you can't fold. Unlucky break :\
 
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No one reraised you preflop so you're not up against AA or KK. If someone has an 8 they are going to bust you. If anyone has an 8 the most likely player is the BB, he coulda called with 8 5 or 8 7 getting such good pot odds in the BB. You can't slowplay here though don't want to see a K or A on the turn or river. If you had AA this is the perfect time to slowplay though. Btw, you should raise at least 3 or 4 x the BB preflop not 2x BB.
 
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feramorzz

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That is something I will be doing from now on...

The pre flop raise, yes! I raised to 100 with $25-$25 blinds, or 4XBB, and I suppose that was not enough, but from now on I'm moving up to 6XBB, i.e. start at $150. Fine line it be, yes?

Time to protect the hand and make people pay more to see cards...hmm, something to think about! :D.
 
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The pre flop raise, yes! I raised to 100 with $25-$25 blinds, or 4XBB, and I suppose that was not enough, but from now on I'm moving up to 6XBB, i.e. start at $150. Fine line it be, yes?

Time to protect the hand and make people pay more to see cards...hmm, something to think about! :D.

No! Your raise was perfect. An open raise of 4X the BB is a perfectly fine play. If you start raising 6X the BB every time, you will notice that you will be getting no action on any of your big hands. Stick with what you did, and it will pay off in the long run.
 
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you have to make a bet on the flop like 3/4 pot... a normal bet prolly in that position...
 
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