Nut flush draw missed, still won

Cheezymadman

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I know I won this hand, but I'm just wondering if I could've played it better, and gotten more from this guy.

full tilt poker Game #4051827146: $100 Freeroll (30710437), Table 205 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:39:30 ET - 2007/11/03
Seat 1: Tristan Blaze (990), is sitting out
Seat 2: Cheezymadman (2,475)
Seat 3: C89 (940), is sitting out
Seat 4: KingKiller25 (5,964)
Seat 5: wayneker (3,532), is sitting out
Seat 6: gofish22 (8,932)
Seat 7: etarui (2,939)
Seat 8: tris87 (960), is sitting out
Seat 9: jcnewbie (3,843)
wayneker posts the small blind of 50
gofish22 posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cheezymadman [Kc Ac]
etarui calls 100
tris87 folds
jcnewbie calls 100
Tristan Blaze folds
Cheezymadman raises to 200
C89 folds
KingKiller25 calls 200
wayneker folds
gofish22 calls 100
etarui calls 100
jcnewbie calls 100
*** FLOP *** [6h 2c 3c]
gofish22 checks
etarui checks
jcnewbie bets 100
Cheezymadman raises to 200
KingKiller25 folds
gofish22 calls 200
etarui calls 200
jcnewbie calls 100
*** TURN *** [6h 2c 3c] [9h]
gofish22 checks
etarui bets 100
jcnewbie raises to 200
Cheezymadman calls 200
gofish22 calls 200
etarui calls 100
*** RIVER *** [6h 2c 3c 9h] [Ah]
gofish22 checks
etarui checks
jcnewbie has 15 seconds left to act
jcnewbie bets 1,100
Cheezymadman calls 1,100
gofish22 folds
etarui folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jcnewbie shows [Jc 4h] Ace Jack high
Cheezymadman shows [Kc Ac] a pair of Aces
Cheezymadman wins the pot (4,850) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,850 | Rake 0
Board: [6h 2c 3c 9h Ah]
Seat 1: Tristan Blaze didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Cheezymadman showed [Kc Ac] and won (4,850) with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: C89 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: KingKiller25 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: wayneker (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: gofish22 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 7: etarui folded on the River
Seat 8: tris87 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: jcnewbie showed [Jc 4h] and lost with Ace Jack high

This jcnewbie guy has been playing pretty loose the whole time I've been at this table, but his position is starting to worry me. Having a LAG like him to my right is a bit unsettling.

EDIT: And as I posted this, he went out with two pair against a full boat. So I guess I don't have to worry about him anymore. :D
 
Tigersmith

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first off
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cheezymadman [Kc Ac]
etarui calls 100
tris87 folds
jcnewbie calls 100
Tristan Blaze folds
Cheezymadman raises to 200
C89 folds
KingKiller25 calls 200
wayneker folds
gofish22 calls 100
etarui calls 100
jcnewbie calls 100
you dont want to see a flop with AK suited with 3 players. Next time raise that up 3x or 3.5x preflop. People will call with anything with a small minraise like that. More so on a freeroll too
 
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first off

you dont want to see a flop with AK suited with 3 players. Next time raise that up 3x or 3.5x preflop. People will call with anything with a small minraise like that. More so on a freeroll too

Blinds wre 50/100. You're saying raise more to get more action? o_O
 
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Blinds wre 50/100. You're saying raise more to get more action? o_O

you need to get down to 2 players or heads up with a hand like AK. What would you do cheezy?

I know i would of raised atleast 3.5x on that type of hand and your in middle position
 
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call me a novice, but isn't AKsuited considered the strongest pre-flop hand in poker? why would i want less action?
 
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I'll take AA or KK vs your AK suited all day...
 
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call me a novice, but isn't AKsuited considered the strongest pre-flop hand in poker? why would i want less action?

Tell me this why would you want 4 players seeing a flop when you do have one of the strongest hands preflop, if you miss the flop you cant make a continuation bet into those 4 people.
 
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Tell me this why would you want 4 players seeing a flop when you do have one of the strongest hands preflop, if you miss the flop you cant make a continuation bet into those 4 people.

And if I hit the flop, I can potentially get chips from 4 people.
 
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And if I hit the flop, I can potentially get chips from 4 people.

but the odds of you winning the hand goes down when there are more players..If i had 4-5 people seeing the flop when I had AK preflop, im not gonna lie i would kill myself haha jk
 
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call me a novice, but isn't AKsuited considered the strongest pre-flop hand in poker? why would i want less action?

I think AK gets over played and overvalued way too often. AK is a very strong drawing hand. Emphasis on drawing because you will need to improve against a made hand. AK is very strong and if you hit you will have top pair/top kicker, but even a pair of 2s has AK beat preflop.

It is the hand with the most potential PF, though.

Blinds wre 50/100. You're saying raise more to get more action? o_O
Raise more to isolate. The less players you have to go against with AK, the better. Also, you build the pot with a bigger raise.
 
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I think AK gets over played and overvalued way too often. AK is a very strong drawing hand. Emphasis on drawing because you will need to improve against a made hand. AK is very strong and if you hit you will have top pair/top kicker, but even a pair of 2s has AK beat preflop.

It is the hand with the most potential PF, though.


Raise more to isolate. The less players you have to go against with AK, the better. Also, you build the pot with a bigger raise.

thanks for the better explanation :)
 
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