NLO8 nut str8 flop

[Alon Ipser]

pokerstars Game #5495925683: Tournament #27770444, $1.00+$0.20 Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/07/08 - 18:52:37 (ET)
Table '27770444 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Alon Ipser (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: S@SSyReBeL (1380 in chips)
Seat 3: mscoolLA (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: rstone1 (1520 in chips)
Seat 5: beerman25 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: five8teen (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: goatsaurus (1660 in chips)
Seat 9: jgmotorfan (1500 in chips)
rstone1: posts small blind 10
beerman25: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Alon Ipser [Qh Kh 3s Js]
five8teen: calls 20
goatsaurus: calls 20
jgmotorfan: folds
Alon Ipser: calls 20
S@SSyReBeL: calls 20
mscoolLA: folds
rstone1: calls 10
beerman25: checks

I usually will limp in with 3 broadway cards. Being 2 suited is a bonus. Is limping in with just 3 broadway cards a mistake?

*** FLOP *** [Ac Ts Jd]
rstone1: checks
beerman25: checks
five8teen: bets 20
goatsaurus: calls 20
Alon Ipser: raises 20 to 40
S@SSyReBeL: folds
rstone1: calls 40
beerman25: folds
five8teen: calls 20
goatsaurus: calls 20

Nut straight flop and nothing threatening on board. I dont want to scare anyone away so min. raise.

*** TURN *** [Ac Ts Jd] [9d]
rstone1: checks
five8teen: bets 20
goatsaurus: calls 20
Alon Ipser: raises 1420 to 1440 and is all-in
rstone1: folds
five8teen: folds
goatsaurus: calls 1420

Still got the nuts but another diamond. I don't want anyone cathing a flush so all in.

*** RIVER *** [Ac Ts Jd 9d] [Jh] *** SHOW DOWN ***
goatsaurus: shows [Td Qc Ah Th] (HI: a full house, Tens full of Jacks)
Alon Ipser: shows [Qh Kh 3s Js] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)
goatsaurus collected 3180 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3180 | Rake 0
Board [Ac Ts Jd 9d Jh]
Seat 1: Alon Ipser showed [Qh Kh 3s Js] and lost with HI: a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: S@SSyReBeL folded on the Flop
Seat 3: mscoolLA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rstone1 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: beerman25 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: five8teen folded on the Turn
Seat 8: goatsaurus showed [Td Qc Ah Th] and won (3180) with HI: a full house, Tens full of Jacks
Seat 9: jgmotorfan folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

I don't understand.

On the flop, you minraise, giving a set/2 pair odds to draw to a boat, but when the flush draw appears on the turn suddenly you get concerned about giving odds to draws and push for about 5 million times the pot?

Doesn't make sense.

 

[Alon Ipser]

Yea, my mistakes are usually pretty obvious to me when I post here. Post flop bet was too small. I don't think the all in bet was bad though. I wanted to take down the pot and anyone calling was going to be behind. Also I still want to know if 3 broadway cards are good enough to limp in with preflop or shoud I give up this practice?

 

[ChuckTs]

I think if you know it's going to be a multiway, unraised pot, then go ahead. Obviously if you are shooting for high-only, you would rather have all 4 of them broadway, but 3 is enough (especially if they're double suited).

I try not to make it too much of a habit, but it brings in a healthy pot once in a while.

 

[Beriac]

Personally, I disagree. Me and my 2 weeks of Omaha experience (nearly 3,000 hands, though) suggest that going after high-only with 4 high cards has a positive but limited +EV. Exchanging one of those for a "dangler" as McEvoy/Cloutier call it really damages the EV of the play. Suited doesn't make up for it because your suit isn't ace-high and so is marginal at best.

To me this is a fold pre-flop. Sure, it's a cheap flop, but I prefer to just get away from marginal hands as they tend to bring doom more often than glory in Hi/Lo.

I think you basically played it right after that, though all-in was a bit of a big bet compared to the pot (you want them to call with bad odds rather than fold for sure, goes Sklansky's theory). But he wouldn't have folded that if you raised him his Mama.

 

[Alon Ipser]

Thanks Beriac, what is the title of the McEvoy/Cloutier book?

 

[t1riel]

Unlucky river for you but your opponent did have a better starting hand than you (for the High anyway).