nice river :)

[stormswa]

pokerstars Game #10804553200: Tournament #54113870, 10FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/07/06 - 19:46:52 (ET)
Table '54113870 360' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: LKL14 (1490 in chips)
Seat 2: Daman0125 (1445 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: Apollo22 (1440 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: stormswa (4460 in chips)
Seat 5: chessjef (1540 in chips)
Seat 6: apeldoorn (2970 in chips)
Seat 7: geeenious (1470 in chips)
Seat 8: zigzag1979 (1505 in chips)
Seat 9: frankonius (1660 in chips) is sitting out
Apollo22: posts small blind 15
stormswa: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stormswa [9c Qc]
chessjef: folds
apeldoorn: raises 60 to 90
geeenious: folds
zigzag1979: folds
frankonius: folds
LKL14: folds
Daman0125: folds
Apollo22: folds
stormswa: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Jc Th 5c]
stormswa: checks
apeldoorn: bets 90
stormswa: raises 240 to 330
apeldoorn: raises 2550 to 2880 and is all-in
stormswa: calls 2550
*** TURN *** [Jc Th 5c] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Th 5c Tc] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stormswa: shows [9c Qc] (a straight flush, Nine to King)
apeldoorn: shows [Ac Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
stormswa collected 5955 from pot
wilber is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5955 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Th 5c Tc Kc]
Seat 1: LKL14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Daman0125 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Apollo22 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: stormswa (big blind) showed [9c Qc] and won (5955) with a straight flush, Nine to King
Seat 5: chessjef folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: apeldoorn showed [Ac Ah] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: geeenious folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: zigzag1979 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: frankonius folded before Flop (didn't bet)


think hand played out pretty much like it should, I dont fault him at all since he holds the Ac so he knows im not drawing to nut flush draw. I also cant fault my play with open ended straight flush draw.

my new style im working on is calling a lot with speculative hands in position, this one I wasn't in position but I think the call is pretty easy in big blind here knowing I close all the betting. I picked up this style from a pretty good online player.

everything pretty standard I believe.

 

[tonymaclennan]

Not sure I would have called that!
I know blinds aren't that steep yet, but with that chip stack - when the steep blinds come you will be in a good position as this could have gone awfully wrong.

Not sure if anybody else would agree..

 

[ChuckTs]

Have to get your stack in with that draw. That's what you're calling Q9c for.

nh sir

 

[stormswa]

yea like chuck said that is the ideal flop for me, on flop im looking to get my stack in the middle. Im trying to build a big stack early on in tourney, you wouldnt believe how much of a advantage it is having a big stack in middle to late stages of a tourney are.

just so you know I have 50.6% equity in that hand.

 

[rob5775]

Agree with Chuck and Storm here... what else could you be looking for in a flop with Q9s? Besides a miracle Q99 or some such crazy flop (which probably would kill any action), this is a awesome flop for the hand. Well done sir.

 

[Richard7787]

Yes great flop for Q9c nh Storm

 

[tonymaclennan]

So you guys would call an all-in with an open ended straight draw in a tournament? Would you do so if it would end your tournament if you didn't hit?

You would fold this though in a Ring Game yes?

 

[joeeagles]

my new style im working on is calling a lot with speculative hands in position, this one I wasn't in position but I think the call is pretty easy in big blind here knowing I close all the betting. I picked up this style from a pretty good online player.

Yep, that's what I've seen a lot of people do lately, calling raises with speculative hands, only thing is I've noticed it done mostly from the blinds. Doing it in position sounds like a much smarter strategy, particularly if you're observant enough to notice those players that steal more frequently. It's the opposite of the gap concept, but I'm really starting to think it has its merits, as long as you tighten up after bringing one of those hands to showdown or until you table breaks up. Of course you need to pick on the right stacks too. I'm convinced if done smartly and you're ready to take a risk here and there it should work

BTW, very nice hand, and with the kind of draw you had calling off your stack was pretty standard as you said.

 

[dj11]

I play similar to the style you say you picked up, speculate a bit cheap, it is how I opened up from being totally tight anal retentive. The aggression comes with the territory.

In this particular hand you had villain covered, and worst case you end up back around the starting point.

My current retort to those who rant and rave about bad beats fits here;

Suckouts count.

 

[rob5775]

So you guys would call an all-in with an open ended straight draw in a tournament? Would you do so if it would end your tournament if you didn't hit?

You would fold this though in a Ring Game yes?

Actually, in a ring game we would be correct to get our money in here as we are a slight (slight) favorite on the flop - as so....

Board: Jc Th 5c

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.606% 50.61% 00.00% 501 0.00 { Qc9c }
Hand 1: 49.394% 49.39% 00.00% 489 0.00 { AcAh }

Remember you have 15 good outs going into the turn against an over pair and could pick up more on turn if you don't hit.

 

[ChuckTs]

So you guys would call an all-in with an open ended straight draw in a tournament? Would you do so if it would end your tournament if you didn't hit?

We don't just have an open-ended straight draw, we have the flush possibilities as well. Gotta get your money in ASAP with that draw.

I actually prefer a lead-push here as opposed to what stormswa did because then we get the most fold equity that way. Here, we're calling of most of our stack as opposed to pushing it, and we have no fold equity.

You would fold this though in a Ring Game yes?

That would be even more of a reason to get your money in. Even against top set...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.697% 59.70% 00.00% 591 0.00 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 40.303% 40.30% 00.00% 399 0.00 { Qc9c }


...you're still %40 to win.

 

[heatfan03]

Have to get your stack in with that draw. That's what you're calling Q9c for.

nh sir

sums it up here