Live SnG all in blind V pocket 5s

Irexes

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Casino time last night for the first time in about a month and some success.

Two £22 SnGs and I won the first for £100.

Some decent cards and some people willing to call with any ace helped me build a stack and then some very aggressive heads up play saw me over the line.

In the second I ran cold and got myself to 1800 chips with 6 left and one of the shorter stacks (15,000 chips in play). Top three pay.

The chap opposite went allin with 1100 chips without looking at his cards because he wanted to play in the cash game at the next table. This was definately genuine he pushed as they were dealt.

I had 55 on the button and it folded to me. The Big Blind I know well and he's not a chaser. A young kid was on the SB and he showed no sign of calling.

So folks, what do I do?

He could genuinely have any 2 cards... against two overcards I've got about 54 v 46% chance of wining. About 60-40 against any two.

According to Pokerstove,

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 60.3249 % 59.64% 00.68% { 5c5d }
Hand 2: 39.6751 % 38.99% 00.68% { random }

Add in the 300 for the blinds (100/200 at this point) and I decided to call. If I win I have 3200 chips and a good shot at the win, lose and its 700 and I'm in trouble.

For the record I called. It's obviously irrelevant what he had and the result (it's in my blog if you want to see).

So would you call?

And if not, what is the minimum holding you would call with in this unusual situation?
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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If it's folded around or if villain gets called and wins do you think he's going to continue pushing blind?

If he is, calling becomes easier - this will most likely be the best hand you get to play against captain pushalot before he donates his stack to someone else, and if he's gonna keep pushing you essentially have no fold equity until he busts (if this takes another round, your stack is badly depleted and you will in general have little fold equity afterwards).

If this appears to be a one-off, I think I call anyway, though it depends on the table mechanics to a degree. The looser the table, the more inclined I am to call, as the looser the table the more chips I require for effective bubble play when the time comes, and thus the more willing I am to take a gamble here.

Without looking at results, from the phrasing of your post, explicitly making the point that "this was definitely genuine", I'm guessing the blind pusher ended up having a huge hand, and the fact that this thread exists leads me to believe he won. C'est la vie (if I'm right)... :p
 
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I agree with all of that Dorkus, the "definately genuine" comment was not related to his cards and he'd made several moves already and I had every reason to believe he would continue to do so.

Two loose players at the table, pushalot, me and two tightish.
 
F Paulsson

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Examine the situation from the other side: What reasons could you have not to call when you know that you're a favorite?

You're putting your chips in on a gamble, this is true. It's possibly even a close gamble, with a chance of winning as small as just slightly over 50%, but you're still the favourite. Are there reasons not to call? If you feel that your edge at this table is so large that you can win it without having to take any close gambles at all, you could perhaps fold. But knowingly giving up a +EV call because of future, safer, investments is something that's best left to a larger stack than yours, I think.
 
robwhufc

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And if not, what is the minimum holding you would call with in this unusual situation?
I asked a similar question (well the same really) on this thread https://www.cardschat.com/showthread.php?t=69162

In your case, you've got reads of sorts on the 2 players next to act, but they are still there and could have handsm so you cant discount them (especially as you will give them better pot odds by betting). I'd say King high and up.
 
loopmeister

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The +EV play is good enough for me. I'd call if I was sure I'd be heads-up, which I understand from your post to be the case here.
 
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Thanks chaps.

The reason I asked is because I'd normally fold 55 all day to a push in EP in this situation and so I felt uncomfortable calling even though it the "correct" play from an EV point of view as he could genuinely have any 2.

I fancy my chances with any kind of stack of reaching the endgame in these live SnGs but I really don't I'm good enough to turn down 60-40 shots like this.

As it happens he had K9o and I lost. He then went out a couple of hand later pushing bottom pair on a ragged flop.

Had I won, I probably wouldn't have given it a thought, but I got a bit results oriented about the hand I think.
 
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